Should homosexuals have the right to get married?

[TJ]

Am I the only one to see the flaws here? Sex outside of marriage is a sin, and getting married for economical reasons has nothing to do with the original idea.

Doesn't it also say that they should be stoned to death?

 

[Schnell]

Doesn't it also say that they should be stoned to death?

Do you have a specific verse that says that? I'd love to use that in future arguments.

 

[TJ]

Do you have a specific verse that says that? I'd love to use that in future arguments.

Eh, i don't record anything in the bible..but its in there, of course not in the same words.

 

[Schnell]

Hey, guess what:

Deuteronomy 22:13-29

22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
22:16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
22:27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Short version:
If a woman that is not a virgin marries a man, "the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die".
Those that are married, but lie with others than their husband/wife, must be stoned along with their new partner.
If a man rapes a woman, the man must be stoned.
If two people have sex without being married, and it is not rape, they must marry and stay together forever.

 

[vgea]

The point is that a set of rules exist, which prohibits homosexuals from "joining the club" and get married.

It would be like a black man showing up at a KKK meeting and expecting to be let in on the fun, for no other reason than he wants to.


But as I've said earlier in the thread, I don't see the problem as whether or not the should be allowed to marry. What puzzles me is that they want to be associated in any way with a religion that condemns them.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

I agree with you completely,To be honest if a black man wants to join the kkk and he is denied,he has the right to sue them for violating the fourteenth amendment by discriminating him. Why he is there in the first place I have no clue lol, and why they want to be associated in religions that condemns them,I have no comment because I really dont believe anyone can give an accurate answer to that. What you quoted from the bible verse is completely right, but in Matthew 7:1 it states “Do not judge, or you too will be judged”. I take that quote as us as man does not have the right to judge others,otherwise god will judge us accordingly as we have judge them so as I stated in my first post "it's gods decision not man to judge".They will be damned in the afterlife so let them have their freedom on earth.

 

[claw bogy]

No, because its gay.

 

[Schnell]

Then what is marriage? Getting married just so that you can have sex doesn't sound moral to me.

Quoting the Bible in an educated debate is ridiculous. (Unicorns aren't real, despite claims within the Bible.)

This is a religious debate. What can be a better source than the Bible in a religious debate?

 

[barrie j w]

No, because its gay.

Of course it's gay you arrogant prick.

On topic: i believe gays should have the right to get married, gay marriage is no different from straight marriage, and IMO anyone that thinks otherwise is just an idiot.

 

[Schnell]

On topic: i believe gays should have the right to get married, gay marriage is no different from straight marriage, and IMO anyone that thinks otherwise is just an idiot.

Did you read the thread? I'm pretty sure you didn't.

 

[Schnell]

God, no it isn't. It's asking whether homosexuals should have the right to be married. It's obviously questioning the validity of federal recognition of gay unions.

Yes it is. Marriage is religious. The entire idea of marriage has its roots in religion. The only reason it's not seen as such by a lot of people is that modern religion has been watered down to a farce.

 

[Wafer Man]

My cousin is gay and so are alot of my friends so that might be why i say yes but everyone in like has freedoms why should gay people be told there freedoms stop here? I think they should be able to do what ever makes them happey.

 

[Alex k]

2009 is already corrupt enough, isn't it?

Maybe it would be more logical to legalize gay marriage everywhere in the US


All in all, I think it would still bring more damage than good.

 

[Schnell]

Theistic religion is definitionally a farce.

Obviously religions shouldn't be forced to recognize gay marriage as the church is a private organization. Religion is irrelevant in this thread. It's focused toward federal recognition of gay unions.

Well, at least we agree on something. I'm all for federal recognition of gay unions, but to call it marriage is wrong on so many levels. If they want recognition there should be some way to have official partnership without it having anything to do with a religious marriage.

 

[Jagex Fails]

yes if they love each other go for it

 

[TJ]

2009 is already corrupt enough, isn't it?

Maybe it would be more logical to legalize gay marriage everywhere in the US


All in all, I think it would still bring more damage than good.

Kind of like allowing blacks/woman the right to vote?

Religion is irrelevant in this thread. It's focused toward federal recognition of gay unions.

It is totally relevant in this thread. The only reason people see it as bad is because religion "started" marriage, and all that horse shit. Seperation of religion and government do not happen anymore.

 

[FaileRRR]

In my opinion no, but hey, they are and thats that.

Personally I really don't mind homosexuals, if they choose to be a homosexual then let it be. I can't stand these people that put them down.

 

[karnivor04]

its a free country they can do wat they want. its not like its their fault. as long as they dont makeout in public i dont give a crap about wat they do

 

[shadow lacke]

okay, i may possibly get flamed for this, but i gotta state my opinion =).


I am FOR gay marriage, although i am christian and am primarily right-wing in politics.

I believe it may be against the bible, but i cannot bring myself to thinking that two people that love eachother should be denied the right to celebrate that with marriage.

I say let God judge them, not us =)

 

[Albania]

No.

Marriage does not mean love. Marriage is a way of life invented by humans. Not God. ( Joseph got married to the Virgin Mary )

If you truly love someone, you do not need marriage to keep you together.
You can live with each other, you can have 2 sticks with bull-hole sex all you want and no one will say anything.

Jesus is part of the catholic/christian church, and they do not support gay marriage, why do you gays keep insisting on it. There is truly no need to get married.

My parents have been together for 39 years, never married. They love each-other.... At least from what i can see.

Stop bitching about everything...Please

 

[Schnell]

I say let God judge them, not us =)

God has supposedly already judged them in the Bible. Who are you to overrule his judgments?