The Existence of God

I am a Muslim and i believe in Allah.

 

[WoW is fun fun]

Isn't it funny, how that, Everyday, we believe what the newspaper tells us, but when it's the Bible, we don't?

 

[DropKick Murphys]

Isn't it funny, how that, Everyday, we believe what the newspaper tells us, but when it's the Bible, we don't?

Newspapers are generally credible because they market themselves as sources of news - they would quickly become unprofitable were it found that they lied. News papers are also recent and usually written by college educated journalists.
The bible, on the other hand, is 2000 years old and written by Bronze Age farmers and sheep herders.

You tell me why people are more likely to believe something in the newspapers than in the bible.

 

[wildy pk123]

Newspapers are generally credible because they market themselves as sources of news - they would quickly become unprofitable were it found that they lied. News papers are also recent and usually written by college educated journalists.
The bible, on the other hand, is 2000 years old and written by Bronze Age farmers and sheep herders.

You tell me why people are more likely to believe something in the newspapers than in the bible.

The news and media twists things to there profit. Maybe the bible was written by farmers but they have no reason to lie, unlike the media.

 

[moneyman123]

I do not believe in a god.

God is supposed to be all loving isnt he? then if he did exist then why would he send millions to hell and cause all the pain and suffering in the world? sounds like hes a douche bag

 

[Schnell]

The Bible was not written by farmers. Well, some of it maybe. But the point is that the Bible itself was put together by priests a couple of hundred years AD, and the already then old writings were handpicked to ensure the Bible represented their views.

There are numerous stories about Jesus' life (such as The Gospel According to Thomas, look it up) that were not included in the Bible because the priests didn't agree with how they portrayed Jesus.

Did these people have a reason to lie? indeed.

 

[Hammerburst]

Isn't it funny, how that, Everyday, we believe what the newspaper tells us, but when it's the Bible, we don't?

That is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

If I'm reading the newspaper and It says "Economy Crisis is getting worse" Well ofcourse Im going too believe it,Thousand of people are getting Laid-off each day,Not being able too Suportt there Family,etc. Really you might want re-think that.
@ Wildy pk

Well tbh science isn't very logical either. Like how the earth was created? An explosion that happen to creat life, that just kept evolving? Most christians are not brain washed, they choose to have faith. But i'm sure there are some brain washed ones.

Really,Think about it a Massive Explosion that created 7 Planets or one all mighty god who created 7 of them. Most people say they are christians so they wont be "Smited" by god's wrath or sent too hell,You know it's true.

 

[Straggler]

Isn't it funny, how that, Everyday, we believe what the newspaper tells us, but when it's the Bible, we don't?

Adding on to what other people said, the newspaper has pictures. It has stories that were written yesterday by people who are still alive. If you want proof that Ted Kennedy died, why not go to his grave first, check if it's empty, and then accuse the front page of the New York times of lying? If you want proof that God created the universe with his mind, just go talk to...oh..wait, you can't. Nevermind.

 

[Ice Canuck]

The news and media twists things to there profit. Maybe the bible was written by farmers but they have no reason to lie, unlike the media.

How many poeple have they ruled even after death? Power is reason.

 

[WoW is fun fun]

How can the media twist things to be profitable? Tabloids do not represent other, accurate and common, sources of information.

Because, if they can lie about some big news, something REALLY big, they will make a profit because more news papers will sell.

 

[Schnell]

Because, if they can lie about some big news, something REALLY big, they will make a profit because more news papers will sell.

Tell me who makes the biggest profit. A newspaper that sells alot of papers, or the church?

 

[Jesse]

Because, if they can lie about some big news, something REALLY big, they will make a profit because more news papers will sell.

they don't lie about shit so the newspaper money comes in their pockets. people believe the newspaper because there are laws that will fuck them over if they lie. now, if the government says something that is big, they'll publish it as is; unless someone gets inside, liable, information.

DIP. SHIT.

 

[stasior]

u guys argue alot about stuff with no proof so heres abit of it...
knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)
"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness." - the quran sura 39:6
now the aboves really intresting
hundreds of years b4 the microscope or any understanding of birthing medicine we learn of the "three veils" the (l) the anterior abdominal wall; (2) the uterine wall; and (3) the amniochorionic membrane. sooo wuteva psycho alien retard as u guys call it invented religion; according to islam anyway was sum kick ass genius.
im not arguing with any of u just givin u sumfin to chew on... maybe its just coincidence but then.. more coincidence within the ancient "fairy tale" Quran and sometimes bible...
A Sign for them is that We carried their families in the laden ship. And We have created for them the like of it, in which they sail. (Qur'an, 36:41-42)
A demon of the jinn said: "I will bring it to you before you get up from your seat. I am strong and trustworthy enough to do it." (Qur'an, 27:39)
And We made a fount of molten copper flow out for him. (Qur'an, 34:12)
Allah splits the seed and kernel. He brings forth the living from the dead, and produces the dead out of the living. That is Allah, so how are you misguided? (Qur'an, 6:95)
im not gona spoon feed u interpretations but for my last point i might aswell shed sum light for the dullards among you.
Allah splits the seed and kernel. He brings forth the living from the dead, and produces the dead out of the living. That is Allah, so how are you misguided? (Qur'an, 6:95)
The terms "seed" (al-habb) and "kernel" (an-nawa) in the above verse may indicate the splitting of the atom. Indeed, the dictionary meanings of an-nawa include "nucleus, centre, atomic nucleus." Furthermore, the description of bringing forth the living from the dead can be interpreted as Allah creating matter from dead energy. Producing the dead out of the living may refer to energy (dead) emerging from matter (living), since the atom is in motion. (Allah knows best.) That is because as well as "living," al-hayy can also mean "active, energetic." With its meaning of "non-living," al-mayyit, translated above as "dead," may very probably refer to energy.

well yeah plz dont flame my religion or call me a terrorist i dont impose on any of your beliefs just showing u wut sum of my holy scriptures and more often than not the bible show us.
if god doesnt exsist the retard that created religion was sum alien monkey genius thing.
EDIT: shredder its me adil been a while since we crossed swords it was fun but im older n smarter now > pm me ill add u on my new msn

 

[WoW is fun fun]

they don't lie about shit so the newspaper money comes in their pockets. people believe the newspaper because there are laws that will fuck them over if they lie. now, if the government says something that is big, they'll publish it as is; unless someone gets inside, liable, information.

DIP. SHIT.

Lol? You really think the government is going to notice a little twist? And even if they did, they wouldn't really care. They make money out of it too.

The government told journalists not to say anything about the Moon landing, but it still happened.

Tell me who makes the biggest profit. A newspaper that sells alot of papers, or the church?

If they add a twist, they can make a few million more.

Newspapers are generally credible because they market themselves as sources of news - they would quickly become unprofitable were it found that they lied. News papers are also recent and usually written by college educated journalists.
The bible, on the other hand, is 2000 years old and written by Bronze Age farmers and sheep herders.

You tell me why people are more likely to believe something in the newspapers than in the bible.

People in this era can still lie just as good. And no, your in-correct, the news-papers like every single day, you just don't know it. The goal is to create a eye catching subject, and they easily twist it to sell more.

Just because someone is a educated journalists, doesn't mean they wont lie, your whole argument is irrelevant.

 

[WoW is fun fun]

The Bible claims that the sun doesn't cause night and day, that all plants are safe to eat, and that rainbows aren't caused by a refraction of light.



Only someone uneducated or completely deranged would believe that the moon landing has been proven to be a hoax.



God, justify something. Just one thing, please.



No, yours is. You're implying that almost every journalist lies. Unjustified claims are easily dismissed, so you've said absolutely nothing.

Okay, a simple question.

Everyone wants and likes money. It's common sense. So, why would a person lie? To make a few more million.

I didn't say that the moon landing never happened, it did, but the pres

s was told specifically NOT to release that information. Yet, they felt they must.

Please bring me justifying proof that 1 reporter that doesn't twist or lie, please do.

 

[Dialect]

The funniest part about this whole spam fest thread is, the people who do believe in god are morons, and the atheists are the smarter of the group and know more about someones religion than the person defending it does. This is classic failure. If you believe in god, thats fine, but if you believe in god and call out people of other religions, suck my left.

 

[stasior]

The funniest part about this whole spam fest thread is, the people who do believe in god are morons, and the atheists are the smarter of the group and know more about someones religion than the person defending it does. This is classic failure. If you believe in god, thats fine, but if you believe in god and call out people of other religions, suck my left.

Well no atheist is yet to answer my questions as to these "coincidences" in the "fairy tale books" like the Quran,Hadiths,Bible or Torah... so i think i know more of my religion than any atheist so far on this forum.. also im only 16 so i AM suprised noone can answer any of my posts and they are often ignored by the atheists.

The Quran also states that the sun revolves around Earth.

the quran states alot of stuff i just didnt want to put too much wanted these atheists to asnwer nuclear fission and birth first but yeah theres more interstellar in quran and hadiths.
Humanity's exploration of space was accelerated with the Soviet satellite Sputnik on 4 October 1957, which launch is considered by NASA as the dawn of the “Space Age.” The first man to ever leave the Earth's atmosphere was the Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin who made his space flight in 1961 in Vostok 1 spacecraft. On 20 July 1969, the American astronaut Neil Armstrong became the first human being ever to set foot on the Moon.

In fact, the Qur'an revealed that such developments and achievements would one day be realised. For instance, Allah draws our attention to this in the following verse:

O company of jinn and human beings. If you are able to pierce through the confines of the heavens and Earth, pierce through them. You will not pierce through, except with a clear authority. (Qur'an, 55:33)
Careful examination reveals that the above verse emphasizes that humanity will be able to move into the depths of Earth and sky, but only with a superior power. In all likelihood, this superior power is the superior technology employed in the twentieth century, for it enabled scientists to achieve this great feat.

want more on the moon?...
And [I swear by] the moon when it is full, you will mount up stage by stage! What is the matter with them, that they have no faith? (Qur'an, 84:18-20)
"you will mount up stage by stage" refers to a vehicle to be boarded.
Indeed, the astronauts' spacecraft pass through each layer of the atmosphere one by one, and then begin to pass through the Moon's gravitational field. Thus, the Moon is reached by moving through individual layers. In addition, the swearing by the Moon in Surat al-Inshiqaq 18 further strengthens this emphasis,meaning that the verse may well be a sign that humanity will travel to the Moon. (Allah knows best.)

and Atheists i have nothing against you but the very first atheists are also declared in the quran this is nothing amazing compared to the Qurans other predictions but...

As we shall see later on, Pharaoh regarded himself as a deity and responded with slanders and threats to Prophet Musa's (as) calls for him to believe in Allah. This arrogant attitude lasted until he was faced with the threat of death through drowning. The Qur'an relates that Pharaoh immediately turned to belief when faced with Allah's punishment:

We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (Qur'an, 10:90)

However, this last-minute conversion was not accepted, for it was not sincere. According to the Qur'an, Allah exclaimed:

"What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the corrupters? Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you. Surely many people are heedless of Our Signs." (Qur'an, 10:91-92)

The information that Pharaoh's corpse would serve as a sign for later generations may be regarded as an indication that his body would not decay. On display in the Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo is a mummified body believed to be that of this tyrant. In all likelihood, Pharaoh's body floated to shore after being drowned, was found and mummified by the Egyptians, and then carried to a previously prepared burial chamber.

this posts getting to big but u obviously havent read the quran and therefore ill tell u what they mean abt the sun and earth.

 

[stasior]

The Quran also states that the sun revolves around Earth.

haha okay now please do not talk about religion without researching it.. i leave verse numbers etc. incase u think im bullshitting PLEASE research.
He created the heavens and the Earth with truth. He wraps the night around the day and wraps the day around the night, and has made the Sun and Moon subservient, each one running for a specified term. Is He not indeed the Almighty, the Endlessly Forgiving? ( Surat az-Zumar, 5)
In the above verse the movement of the Earth is described by the word “yukawwiru,” which comes from root verb “takwir,” meaning “to cover up a spherical body,” in the way that the rotation of the Earth gives rise to night and day, like the winding of a turban. In addition to the spherical shape of the Earth the word is also the most accurate expression of its movement around the Sun. Because of the Earth’s spherical shape and its movement around the Sun, the Sun always illuminates one side of the Earth while the other is in darkness. The side in shadow is shrouded by the darkness of night, to be replaced by the brightness of day when the Sun rises. The positions of the Sun and Earth are revealed as follows in Surah Ya Sin:

And the Sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. And We have decreed set phases for the Moon, until it ends up looking like an old palm spathe. It is not for the Sun to overtake the Moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Surah Ya Sin, 38-40)
The movements of the Sun and Moon in verse 40 of Surah Ya Sin are described by the Arabic word "yasbahoona," meaning “flowing, passing or swimming.” This word refers to an action performed by someone on their own. Someone acting according to this verb continues to perform it alone, with no intervention from anyone else. The above verses may therefore be referring to the Sun’s independent movement in the universe, independent of any other celestial body. (Allah knows the truth.) It is impossible for us to see or follow the movement of the Sun with our own eyes. It is only possible to determine that movement using special technological equipment. As stated in verse 39 of Surah Ya Sin, in addition to rotating around its own axis once every 26 days, the Sun also moves through its own course.

The verse also reports that the Sun is not allowed to “overtake the Moon,” and the Qur’an thus states that the Sun and Moon do not revolve around the same body, as astronomers put it. At the same time, the verse makes it clear that there is no connection between the motion responsible for night and day and the movement of the Sun and Moon. (Allah knows the truth.)

Until the 16th century it was thought that the Earth was the center of the universe. This view is known as the “geo-centric model,” from the Greek words geo (Earth) and centron (center). This belief was questioned by the famous astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus in 1543 in his book De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium (Of the Revolutions of Heavenly Spheres), in which he suggested that the Earth and the other planets revolve around the Sun. But as a result of observations using a telescope performed by Galileo Galilei in 1610, it was scientifically established that the Earth revolves around the Sun. Since it had hitherto been thought that the Sun revolved around the Earth, most scholars of the time rejected Copernicus’ theory. The famous astronomer Johannes Kepler's views setting out the movements of the planets confirmed the helio-centric model in the 16th and 17th centuries. In this model, whose name comes from the words Helios (Sun) and centron (center), the Sun is the center of the universe, rather than the Earth. Other heavenly bodies also revolve around the Sun. Yet this was all revealed 1400 years ago in the Qur’an.

By saying that the Earth was the center of the universe, the ancient Greek astronomer Ptolemy was responsible for the geo-centric idea of the universe that prevailed for hundreds of years. For that reason, at the time of the revelation of the Qur’an, nobody knew that the Earth-centered model that accounted for the formation of day and night in terms of the movement of the Sun was incorrect. On the contrary, all the stars and planets were regarded as revolving around the Earth. Despite these prevalent errors of the time, the Qur’an contains many expressions that agree with the scientific facts regarding day and night:

By the Sun and its morning brightness, and the moon when it follows it, and the day when it displays it, and the night when it conceals it (Surat ash-Shams, 1-4)
As set out in the above verse, day, the brightness of the Sun, is the result of the movement of the Earth. It is not the movement of the Sun that is responsible for night and day. In other words, the Sun is immobile in terms of night and day. The information in the Qur’an refutes the thesis that the Earth is fixed while the Sun revolves around it. The Qur’an is clearly descended from the presence of our Lord, He Who is unfettered by space and time. As science and technology advance more and more examples of the compatibility between the Qur’an and science are coming to light. This is set out in another verse from the Qur’an:

There is instruction in their stories for people of intelligence. This is not a narration which has been invented but confirmation of all that came before, a clarification of everything, and a guidance and a mercy for people who believe. (Surah Yusuf, 111)


ok so NEVER try to ridicule a religions ancient beliefs without first researching okay?

 

[Schnell]

Stasior, although you seem to have done your research I must say that you're over-analyzing alot of these quotes. Such as:

Allah splits the seed and kernel. He brings forth the living from the dead, and produces the dead out of the living. That is Allah, so how are you misguided? (Qur'an, 6:95)
The terms "seed" (al-habb) and "kernel" (an-nawa) in the above verse may indicate the splitting of the atom. Indeed, the dictionary meanings of an-nawa include "nucleus, centre, atomic nucleus." Furthermore, the description of bringing forth the living from the dead can be interpreted as Allah creating matter from dead energy. Producing the dead out of the living may refer to energy (dead) emerging from matter (living), since the atom is in motion. (Allah knows best.) That is because as well as "living," al-hayy can also mean "active, energetic." With its meaning of "non-living," al-mayyit, translated above as "dead," may very probably refer to energy.

This is a very wide quote, and as you demonstrate it could be taken very far in an interpretation. You interpret "bringing forth living from the dead" as nuclear physics? It's a fact that anything can be made reasonable if you twist it enough, which is what you're doing. Also, please explain what you mean by "dead energy".

I won't go deep into a debate with you though, as I don't have any actual knowledge about the Quran or Islam in general. My main concern is about Christianity, as that is the most influential in Norway, where I'm living.

 

[stasior]

when recited in arabic with understanding im not even analysing lol its given. what i dont understand is how people can claim a science v.s. religion argument th quran a 7th cenuary scripture speaks of the ever expanding universe. now bring sciences big bang..do the 2 not go hand in hand. i respect ur request 4 no debate however i recommend u reread my posts since you think im trying 2 prove gods exsistence where i am clearly giving bth atheists nd religus ppl sumfin 2 chew on