Regarding Offical Middle Man Applications..

[Darkgroove]

So, basically what you're saying is that time will sap the will to scam out of a potential OMM because it takes so much longer than old OMM's? I still think that's unfair that the standards were changed based on old members messing up.

No, it means that the scammer will have wasted, what's according to you, forever to complete the application just to get booted for scamming the few pixels (or if it's over paypal, usually the buyer can take the money back and contact paypal with fraud claims). You're not being punished because old members messed up. This has been pointed out time and time again. It's a factor, which is why we can't allow scamers to get through. If that means increasing the security around the rank, then it's what we're going to do.

That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm just saying that his proofs were clearly when GP wasn't '$30/m'. When did I say the market revolved around me?

Good for viper. The price had dropped by the time he was undergoing his application process. I was merely pointing out that originally, when prices were at $30/m, it obviously wouldn't have been $48 for the top trade. More like $360+ trades, and for mods, more (the 15m+ trades limit).

So because the application was changed when the site was almost all RuneScape based, it won't be changed now? I honestly don't see how the system was adapted to the community. I mean you subtracted pin sales and added under $50 trades?

There's no major change that sythe has undergone to warrant the change.

 

[Feren Silver]

There's no major change that sythe has undergone to warrant the change.

But, because Sythe was based on RuneScape at the time and RuneScape changed the OMM application changed? Yet again, this takes it back to there being more than just the RuneScape market.

RuneScape prices may have increased, but not all the markets prices have increased. Which would make the current OMM application RuneScape based. It doesn't fit all the markets out there. For instance, rarely you can find anything in the Xbox section that's worth $200+. I've been there for quite some time and only recently found one trade to MM.

 

[Darkgroove]

But, because Sythe was based on RuneScape at the time and RuneScape changed the OMM application changed? Yet again, this takes it back to there being more than just the RuneScape market.

Because Runescape changed, we had less members coming in, so we expanded to other games, WoW in particular. Because we were no longer based solely on runescape, the application system was changed to incorporate other markets.

RuneScape prices may have increased, but not all the markets prices have increased. Which would make the current OMM application RuneScape based. It doesn't fit all the markets out there. For instance, rarely you can find anything in the Xbox section that's worth $200+. I've been there for quite some time and only recently found one trade to MM.

Runescape prices have decreased, not increased. You don't have to do $200+ trades in the xbox section, gees. It's not RUNESCAPE BASED. That doesn't mean you can't not do runescape trades.

If anything, you'll get 1 or 2 less $200 trades. The application process was presented to the staff, it was edited to the specifications that the staff agreed on, and then was voted on. If some other large event occured in which the application should be changed, then sure it would be. But at the present time, it won't be.

 

[Feren Silver]

Runescape prices have decreased, not increased. You don't have to do $200+ trades in the xbox section, gees. It's not RUNESCAPE BASED. That doesn't mean you can't not do runescape trades.

If anything, you'll get 1 or 2 less $200 trades. The application process was presented to the staff, it was edited to the specifications that the staff agreed on, and then was voted on. If some other large event occured in which the application should be changed, then sure it would be. But at the present time, it won't be.

What are you trying to say? RuneScape prices have decreased, but accounts have gone up in value due to GP being unable to be transferred with ease? How do you know process won't be changed? Sin has already posted here asking for suggestions from active MM's on what the application should consist of. I'm not asking for this to be a cake walk to get OMM, cutting down the $200 trades alone would make it more realistic.

 

[Darkgroove]

What are you trying to say? RuneScape prices have decreased, but accounts have gone up in value due to GP being unable to be transferred with ease? How do you know process won't be changed? Sin has already posted here asking for suggestions from active MM's on what the application should consist of. I'm not asking for this to be a cake walk to get OMM, cutting down the $200 trades alone would make it more realistic.

I know because in one of sin's posts here, she said that they'd at the most be removing 1 or 2 $200 trades.

 

[Feren Silver]

I know because in one of sin's posts here, she said that they'd at the most be removing 1 or 2 $200 trades.

It's a good start, I suppose. We'll just wait and see what happens I suppose.

 

[Hyphern]

The middleman Application Rules are so that no matter how much money is involved the middleman will stay legit and do the right thing, if it was a $1000 trade, people can easily run off, but if youve done it 3 times before, then whats the change your going to do it now?

 

[24Mobley24]

I've just read this entire thread from first post to here, and I personally believe that the current application is just slightly too much. According to DarkGroove though, the most difficult part ($200+ Trades) are being brought down. Which should allow for more aspiring OMM's such as Pokemoners2, Magic, Feren, Louis, Badger, even myself, to have a greater shot of making it.

I agree with Sin and Dark in saying that the application needs to change with the market, but be updated on at least a semi-regular basis. Because as many people have stated with almost all trades $200+ the scammer catch phrase is "OMM or you go first." Then there is seldomly a time that some one can find an OMM online to help them with their trade. So the trusted members will step up to try and fill in that spot, but get shot down without even being considered because they're not official.

Then the voting process or supposed 'popularity' vote, isn't really fair. I've been trying for a while now to start getting into contact with the staff to make myself known, but the ONLY person that has ever had a conversation with me is Badger. I talked to Sin once, about possibly removing the 24's from my user name and other than that, nothing. I believe the vote should be based on whether, from the trades and 'proofs' that an applicant has, there should be an unbiased vote if s/he does the rank.


And I'm sure that most of you reading this have no idea who I am, and I'll just get ignored... =/ However, if some of you took the time to read, please post views/opinions on what I've said.

 

[Darkgroove]

Then the voting process or supposed 'popularity' vote, isn't really fair. I've been trying for a while now to start getting into contact with the staff to make myself known, but the ONLY person that has ever had a conversation with me is Badger. I talked to Sin once, about possibly removing the 24's from my user name and other than that, nothing. I believe the vote should be based on whether, from the trades and 'proofs' that an applicant has, there should be an unbiased vote if s/he does the rank.

If the globals and admins don't trust you, then you won't be getting their vote. That is what you are voted on for. As for not being in contact with mods, most of us are too busy to sit down and have a conversation with you anyway.

 

[24Mobley24]

See, that's where the root of the flaw is, no contact would usually mean no trust. Even if it isn't something personal, it's throwing in an element that is out of the applicant's control. That's something I believe should be the main basis for all applications, the applicant can have some kind of influence on every major element.

 

[Darkgroove]

See, that's where the root of the flaw is, no contact would usually mean no trust. Even if it isn't something personal, it's throwing in an element that is out of the applicant's control. That's something I believe should be the main basis for all applications, the applicant can have some kind of influence on every major element.

Wrong. That's why the MM application process is there, and that's why there is a community. It's similar to getting nominated for moderator. If you contribute in a positive fashion to a particular section, people seem to approve and trust you etc, you will probably get the job.

There are PLENTY of moderators and admins to notice the good work you do.

 

[odt]

To be honest, i just made an MM thread for the sake of having an MM service.

Don't really like doing it and have no intention on becoming an OMM in the future.

As long as I can merchant off Habbo I'm happy

And I think the current system is fine, I mean it's not about the quantity of trades it's the quality

 

[Spyike]

Just my input.. I will eventually be selected as an OMM as in the end, trust is something that has to be earned which OMM status clearly reflects. Unfortunate for me based upon the current standards, I only work the high $ accounts and do not sell. OMM in my view also represents a position that Sythe could use to allow inside checks for Evaders. I'm willing to hold-out as Sythe has a solid base of leadership that may see improved OMM permissions as a tool toward trading security.

 

[xkwiptwendl]

I support. A 12m gp trade is not a high value at all. I learned this while trying to sell my account for $150 (USD). I believe you are correct in thinking the standards should be raised.

~Matt

 

[lalmvpkobe]

Their is a definte shortage of omms and this is a big promplem. Their is almost never a omm avaialable from what ive exspierieced and usually their away or busy.
THIS IS THE SOURCE OF MOST SCAMS ON SYTHE
what scammers will do is say "you go first or get omm you pay fees" Its already bad enough that their are fees but to make it worst it is impossible to get a omm like i said their alll usually offline or non responsive. After the buyer desperately looks for a omm and cant find one they ask this question "CANT WE JUST USE A TRUSTED MM?" now each and everytime the scammer will say
"NO I ONLY USE OMMS"
This is when the desperate buyer makes a vital mistake. They say fine i will go firsti after talks on msn for awhile they pay then get scammed.

Dont you guys see we need more omms? The situation is so bad now that it is the most effective scamming method on sythe. You mods and admins need to be easier on the voting and reduce the requirements imo.

 

[Magic Arrow]

I proposed this on the previous page, and did not get a reply.

You guys know the Middleman forum?

How about we ban the advertising of MM services, and make the only place allowed to do so in the Black Market and the MM applications. Where they are now, change that to "Requesting an MM". Simple change could see a huge improvement.


Also, I have noticed a lot of trades nowadays are swaps. Maybe you could tweak it a bit to include account swaps as part of the MMing application.

 

[1encore1]

I think that the current system is only much more harsh because you want to know that the official mm's are going to be legit and not scammers.
Another reason why is because if u have too many MM's then MM fee's are going to shoot down due to supply and demand of too many MM's to trades?
Simpleish?

 

[Magic Arrow]

I think that the current system is only much more harsh because you want to know that the official mm's are going to be legit and not scammers.

Why was that not the case when there was actually OMM scammings. Nowadays, the rate of trusted scammers has gone down significantly IMO. Also there is not enough trades going on like there was before.

Another reason why is because if u have too many MM's then MM fee's are going to shoot down due to supply and demand of too many MM's to trades?

Too many? Hah. More like not enough. Out of the current MMs, I can only say Darkgroove is active.

Simpleish?

No.

 

[24Mobley24]

I proposed this on the previous page, and did not get a reply.

You guys know the Middleman forum?

How about we ban the advertising of MM services, and make the only place allowed to do so in the Black Market and the MM applications. Where they are now, change that to "Requesting an MM". Simple change could see a huge improvement.


Also, I have noticed a lot of trades nowadays are swaps. Maybe you could tweak it a bit to include account swaps as part of the MMing application.

The only problem with this Magic, is that then it will be MUCH MUCH more difficult for people to become trusted as a MM. Because then all it takes is for that one person with 75+ Vouches to dominate, and then all the up and coming are left without an opportunity to become that little bit more trusted. Then also people would get impatient with waiting for some one to post, so they'd go first and get scammed, etc.

 

[prime007]

good idea add more details