To be clear, you believe that it is wrong to kill a person who is massively and irreparably brain-damaged? Why is this?
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To be clear, you believe that it is wrong to kill a person who is massively and irreparably brain-damaged? Why is this?
Killing is killing, the state or condition they are in doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if a person will die within 5 minutes. If YOU kill that person, it's still murder regardless of the time left. The only thing that matters is if you don't look at it as killing to make yourself feel not as guilty.
If killing were killing, then it would be unacceptable to kill an ant, or a bacterium.
If you had to choose between the aforementioned human vegetable, and a healthy living person, who would you choose? What if it were two human vegetables, and one healthy person?
Why must it be rational for the law to be applied?
ra·tion·al
adj.
1. Having or exercising the ability to reason.
Does this meen that a year old baby can be killed? It dosent have the ability to reason.
This is not the world we live in. Immagine you were selling your house and you had an open house. You had 35 people come to visit your house and you killed every single one of them.
The next day the police would come to you door and send you to jail or give you a death sentence because you had an unstable killing mind.
Every human posses rights wether they can show them or not.
This was off topic and I will discuss it with you one another intelligent race come to our planet or develops.
The food chain. In our society killing another human is both physically and morally wrong.
Again, you are showing that a particular logical argument has unpleasant consequences, not that it is logically incoherent. There is a very large difference.
hashslinger said:
Then you argue that being biologically human grants rights. Why? What do you use to make that distinction between humans and other species?
hashslinger said:
It is on-topic. You agreed that the killing of another sentient race is murder - undermining your claim that only the killing of a human being is murder.
hashslinger said:
I don't think you understand my point. What is it about being a human that grants rights?
Well abortion is an unpleasant consequence is it not? But people still allow it to happen.
Is it unpleasant? How so?
It is because we are intelligent. Our govenment has set up human rights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights We are the only species that make laws and we are the only species that follow laws.
Does the law define morality? If the law says that it is OK to murder Jews, then is it moral to murder them?
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Shredder keeps making the same points over and over. He literally has explained this topic five times over again.
Fetuses cannot feel pain (To an extent), nor any senses. The fact that they're biologically human doesn't make them have the rights of a fully-grown adult.
[N]ick;4388087 said:
Do you serously believe deep inside that the prevention of life is moral? Do you really believe that when a woman kills her fetuses it is apart of her body or a seperat being waiting for a chance to live. Did you know that over 100,000 babys are killed a day? That would be 100,000 new births a day.
I believe is wrong but you never know, someone could be in a very difficult position
So what? it is called adoption. You had unsafe sex... you paid the consequences.
I look at a fetus, and I see a vague human shape that I know does not feel pain, or if it does, it does not feel more pain than, say, a small mammal. A woman wishes to destroy it in order to free herself of 9 months of hardship, so she does so. I really cannot see what is so bad about that.
And if she doesn't want to go through with the pregnancy?
See below.
Sucks to be her. She did something wrong, She should pay the consequences.
You're really not answering my question. I don't see why it's wrong. In terms of its ability to feel pain, it is equivalent to a small animal.
First before I answer the question... Do small animals feel less pain or do they just get killed quicker so their pain is instant?
oh and what country do you live in?
Small animals have a less developed brain, so the amount that they "feel" the pain is less.
hashslinger said:
U.S.
Can you give me a link?
There isn't a link for it, it's something I've picked up on in biology classes through the years.
The biological ability to feel pain requires a nervous system of some sort, and an area of the brain to process the signals. For an individual to actually "feel" the pain, rather than a machine-like reaction to stimulus, some sort of consciousness is required. An ant, which is not conscious, will react to a flame, but there is no personality within it capable of feeling this. Its reaction is purely mechanical. Humans have a highly developed consciousness, thus we are very capable of feeling pain. A fetus, given its brain development, has little to no capability for feeling pain - on par with small mammals such as mice.
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