Spider99 and his worker scammed me

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Scammer's profile link: SPIDER99
Explanation of the trade: He and his team made me ironman 99 firemaking starters.
Amount scammed: Hard to tell. Hundreds of $. Most comes from me investing into powerleveling + losing multiple iron banks.
How they scammed:
Stealing / cleaning my accounts.
If you know about account selling then you know that registering an e-mail to the account you want to sell is not a good idea because your account will lose some value. For this reason i couldn't change the password on the accounts. Also i haven't change the bank PIN on the accounts, but it doesn't matter since these accounts are easy to "steal" because all you need to do is an e-mail attached to the account. So what i want to say with this is if they(spider or workers) wanted to steal wealth from these accounts it doesn't even matter if i had any bank pin on the accounts.
Everything went well for 2 months, i've sold many of these accounts and i left some for myself. My plan was to make some accounts into "iron starters" so ironman accounts with a few 99's. I've bought power leveling services from my team and yesterday i got a message from worker that one of my irons lost like 500 marks of grace. It was a red flag but i was pretty sure it was Spider or his worker but i was hoping it will affect only that account. Tonight i got the bad news. 2 accounts were stolen (pass changed after e-mail added) and 2 (3, but adding that later) got cleaned. 4 other accounts are fine - at the moment. Told Spider about it, first he blame his worker then blamed my team and he is confident to say my team did it. It's an unlucky case, however i know it was not my team. The extra account i mentioned earlier, an account which was never touched by my team (they never knew the login details either) got bonded and cleaned the bank on it. It makes me think it was spider or his worker.
Why would my worker(s) scam me for such low amount and risking their payment?
How could my workers clean an account they never had the login details for? (spider and min. 1 worker had the details)
Proof that it's their Discord: I can show DM's ofc.
Discord ID + Unique Discord ID:
SPIDER99#3358
619766923605049374
Other relevant trade screenshots: I think it would be easier to show important stuff on discord. I don't want to upload a bunch of pictures, but tell me if i need to.

It's hard to tell how much was lost here, i don't want to use these accounts anymore obviously also there is so little evidence -probably words vs. words- and i can't prove what was lost etc...
What i know is i lost hundreds of $ and probably wont see a single penny of that.
At this point i would be okay with him being banned, it's shocking me that he is getting his DNT's removed faster than me taking a pee.

Spider, i hope it was not you but a worker, i am pretty sure that your "friends" making you a fool.
They are laughing at you, they get you in debt, they are not real friends.

 

This is a very unfortunate event @Rune_Dragon , i have experienced something similar with another team here on Sythe. Though as you have already mentioned, it seems that both Spider's team and his workers, plus your team including your workers had the passwords to these accounts. I know you trust your team, as I trust my team. But unless you have proof that Spider actually cleaned these accounts you won't have a case here - as I didn't have a case either. But if you do have some proof, other than your words please add it to the report, if not please let me know so I can close this

 

This is a very unfortunate event @Rune_Dragon , i have experienced something similar with another team here on Sythe. Though as you have already mentioned, it seems that both Spider's team and his workers, plus your team including your workers had the passwords to these accounts. I know you trust your team, as I trust my team. But unless you have proof that Spider actually cleaned these accounts you won't have a case here - as I didn't have a case either. But if you do have some proof, other than your words please add it to the report, if not please let me know so I can close this

My strongest evidence is the account which was bonded + cleaned and it was never given to any of my workers or anyone else ever. But again, this is not much. Look, i would never accuse this guy or his team, i had good experiences with them. Also i know for a fact they would never pay me, Spider - before he just blamed it on me and my team - offered me 2-3 99 fm iron accounts from scratch.
There is no reason from me to build things up. If it was my team i could ask them for a way better solution where i lose way less.
But that one account i mentioned clears things up for me, it was either Spider or a worker of his.

I can upload some pictures of these conversations, but looks like it's ending up in words vs words.

 

[SPIDER99]

Good morning <3
I come to give my testimony. this guy Runedragon comes to my DM saying that if my workers had stolen their accounts which I determine is (crazy) and I do around 32 acc for this guy he even made a scandal completely saying that it was me and my workers and they were not so worried that he made me distrust my workers he made me fire one of my best workers. And at the end of everything he said that these acc that were "stolen" were held by his workers, what's up with you? after blaming me and making a false testimony and calling me a "swindler" without having mentioned before that your workers also trained these acc. 'They were delivered 2 months ago' 'I think that unfair but what idiots brother you waste people's time even it does not even make sense of what you say these' 'CONFUSED' 'I made 8 acc of these for' @Techie 2 months ago the same ask him if something went wrong? or if he gave his accounts to his workers "team"
I also make a lot of these accounts for the great @RuneMetrix ask him if something went wrong ...
even also for the beloved @Zora what madness do you speak? I love you all are my "BOSSES" but brother I think you misinterpreted everything with a false testimony and have the audacity to call me "swindler"
you always try to harm people from what I see
and they are useless things.
When I told you to do the acc again you still had not named `` THAT THE START OF THE SECTION HAD YOUR WORKERS ''
But I smile brother <3.
What nice workers you have '' THEY DON'T VALUE YOU '' they stole from you

 

[SPIDER99]

This is a very unfortunate event @Rune_Dragon , i have experienced something similar with another team here on Sythe. Though as you have already mentioned, it seems that both Spider's team and his workers, plus your team including your workers had the passwords to these accounts. I know you trust your team, as I trust my team. But unless you have proof that Spider actually cleaned these accounts you won't have a case here - as I didn't have a case either. But if you do have some proof, other than your words please add it to the report, if not please let me know so I can close this

honestly it's crazy what Runedragon says, and thanks it's true what you say dear friend

 

First of all, the only thing i am sorry for is you had to fire one of your best workers. When i started to get the notifications about my accounts getting cleaned the first 2 damaged accounts were linked to that "one of your best workers" so i thought it was him and i told you about that.

I think it's clear what happened here.
The "hacker" tried the account logins (from January) on every account he could reach and where the password was not changed he stole banks randomly to make it "mysterious". Edit: for this reason was some accounts stolen and some just got cleaned. I think the ~500 marks of grace was the test if i will notice it and will change password or something like that. Because it did not happen it was a free way for the "hacker" to randomly clean accounts.
The reason why Techie, RuneMetrix or Zora haven't experienced this is because they either sold the accounts already and login was changed or they changed the password themselves (or the completed accounts are fresh and it would be too obvious if they got hacked aswell). At this point only the non-registered accounts are damaged.
It was hard to tell if my workers or his team fucked me over, but after investigating i found that one account which got bonded and cleaned and it's details were never shared with my workers or anyone else other than spider's team when they did the 99 firemaking.
So the greediness made it clear which team did it.
Also how could that be my workers if they are risking their payment and their deposit? And the future work?
Also how can it be there are zero problems with other accounts being trained and it's just these non-registered irons got damaged by spider and team?
Also there was a worker who lost the money for 99 fishing (because died to bad connection and couldn't reconnect) and he got the cash from wintertodt once again and this account got cleaned too. You want to sell me that my worker is having fun getting this much firemaking xp just to clean the account over and over again? And he never wants his payment for 99 fishing or what?

At the end of the day it's just my words against your words. But why do you have to call me names? When did i do that?

It was a pricy lesson for me. I am a bit sad he will get away with this, but maybe the next victim can provide more proof.

 

[SPIDER99]

First of all I regret your loss in which my team had nothing to do brother this testimony that you huzo towards my person hurt more than anything in blaming me and calling me a "swindler" I don't know what you are doing, you are only hurt by your accounts and that makes sense currently I do these accounts for other people but the "ERROR" thing you did was to link the start of the session with your workers which it they take advantage and stole it how bad I feel for you

 

@SPIDER99 could you provide the logs for you firing this worker? With time stamps uncropped

 

[SPIDER99]

@SPIDER99 could you provide the logs for you firing this worker? With time stamps uncropped

At this time I said this because I thought it was my worker, I had not yet been told that their workers had a login to accounts that made me think they were my workers. but I did not fire my worker through the social networks that live near my house, I went personally
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At this time I said this because I thought it was my worker, I had not yet been told that their workers had a login to accounts that made me think they were my workers. but I did not fire my worker through the social networks that live near my house, I went personally
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In this convo your sort of admitting that your worker was responsible ?

 

[SPIDER99]

This is an inappropriate accusation. Because he had to have said from the beginning "that his workers were training these acc", I finished them 2 months ago. Even my workers and I have nothing to do with this. At first I thought they were my workers. You know why you never named your workers first. Now I was training those acc. I feel bad for you, your workers steal, brother, in time you will realize
Here he said that his workers informed him that more accounts were hacked. bone is crazy the man accuses my person and workers without reason
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[SPIDER99]

In this convo your sort of admitting that your worker was responsible ?

Brother he came to my Dm saying that they were my workers, without having said that his workers have started their session

 

@Rune_Dragon was the case of this one account resolved?

 

No. Or what can we call as "resolved"? I was never refunded in any way for it. @Pirate

 

[SPIDER99]

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because I'm confused ?
if you know your workers steal from you brother. and you are with the excuse saying nonsense "they would not lose their money in training to 99 fishing for stealing those acc" crazy

 

[SPIDER99]

@Rune_Dragon was the case of this one account resolved?

Brother, I thought you had been my worker. He had not named that his workers had the beginning of the session

 

@SPIDER99 Did the worker that hijacked one account have access to all of the accounts?

 

[SPIDER99]

The workers did not hijack accounts.

@SPIDER99 Did the worker that hijacked one account have access to all of the accounts?

 

The workers did not hijack accounts.

you said here that one worker did?

 

Hi @Pirate
personla of the website
Currently I work for @Rune_Dragon together with my team, my team is made up of only family and friend, when I speak of friend I mean older and responsible people, ...

this involves me and my workers, As @ rune_dragón says, he gave accounts to @ Spider99 .. accounts that were never granted to us and were still looted, which makes him and his team the main suspects

@Spider99Is it very difficult for you to admit that your workers were the ones who stole those accounts?

@Rune_Dragon has paid me and my team over $ 800 upfront with no problem, just been working with him for the months, my team and I are not going to risk losing reputation or payments ahead for simple miseries

@SPIDER99 he must be responsible and pay the loss that rune_dragon had, it is a great loss for the loss for him!