alright, I can understand why it would help a lot but at times that would make for a big danger to someone if the person who had one was a jackass and wanted to use it to hurt others
And shredder, I do not want to remove it. I said, just for the purpose of this thread, that I was against its release, which was the question. You seem to continuously misread my replies by tying it to an unrelated topic. I would not remove it from circulation, and yes, you are correct, it would be stealing to remove it. Therefore it is lucky I did not say I would go around collecting these devices and shut the company, if I could, I said that I was opposed to the initial release.
- No, I never once said I would "physically stop her". I have no qualms with woman's rights; in fact some of my best friends [that are female] are social activists. Fortunately, none of there rights are being called into question. I would stop the product, not the women from buying the product.
antchak said:Also, I could say a gun's thin metal back thing (not sure what its called, I'm not American, j.k ) moves in the same way as a mouse trap. I could say this about quite a few things, such as "boats float" and "inflatable ducks float". This does not make an analogy between them any stronger, which you seem to believe. I'm sorry to say, you are sadly mistaken.
antchak said:Alright, I'm off to bed gettin late here. Shredder, add my msn too, [email protected], I'd be more than happy to chat with you when we're on the same side. Matthew, I believe I already have you.
ok alot of opinions floating around and people should have an opinion on this.
I would say-as my opinion- this device should be used but should be permitted of who is aloud to use. A doctor or atleast nurse should limit who can use this-to decide in thier own situation who could use it and who couldn't. in other words.... not everyone should have access to a device like this... there are some sick people out there who are not afriad to mame people. Given after enough time of this device being out... almost anyone could get it off the street just like drugs, pills, etc. So it's possible eventually anyone could get it too-which turn into a bad thing.
thats my opinion-h 1 signing out.
In the event of rape, however, I would believe that someone would check the woman first to see if she had it inside her. The knowledge that it is out would be public to many people, and I could not see how a rapist would not be able to know about it.
For now, I shall say no, but Shredderbeam will think of something to open my eyes.![]()
Look at it this way. If I had an axe, to prevent myself from getting raped, I would be inclined to use it in self-defense. So, when you attempted to rape me, you would suffer the consequences of the device. Now let's say you persuade me NOT to use the axe- I would've been raped.
However- This does not justify the fact I just chopped off your penis, but it prevented me from becoming a victim of rape, so in a law-suit, you would win using the motive of SELF DEFENSE.
I do not know how else to interpret that other than preventing its release. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Yes, but the axe cannot be forcefully removed from you so easily. The topic is about a device that a woman would put inside themselves that would injure that part of a man's body.
If the man was going to rape a woman, he would most likely make it so that she would not be able to fight, in which he would be able to remove the device.
Of course, if the man is stupid enough to not remove the device and is hurt, what would make you think that they would take it to court? They would be taking themselves to be prosecuted basically, so may you explain where that reasoning came about?
Yes, that is how it should be interpreted, preventing its release, not removing it and taking away the existing rape aXes.
Ok, and that is the violation of rights. You are preventing a person who owns it from selling it to a willing customer.
How so? If no such product is on the market, and no one owns it, it is not a violation of rights.
antchak said:I am not preventing it, but if I could prevent it from being sold, i.e I was the company owner
antchak said:or a federal official, etc. I could stop it without violating rights.
antchak said:You cannot sell a product, especially a self-defense product, without approval, and by denying approval, I would violate no rights whatsoever. I am really indifferent to the product's release though, I just thought the "No" side needed someone to help em out.
If they're to make a breach of her rights by forcefully engaging with her sexually, they - by doing this - consent to the forfeiting of their own rights
I'm speaking of natural rights, not legal rights.
The approval system is immoral.
But what if they're doing it with her consent?
Of course it is immoral, I never said it wasn't; I completely agree there is no reason this shouldn't be approved, denying it would be a violation of moral rights. Moral rights do not govern anything though, so there is really no point in bring ethics into this.
But what if they're doing it with her consent?
The law does not define morality. I'm going by pure logic here.
Given that we are discussion whether this device should be allowed or not, I would argue that moral rights are fairly relevant.
I'm not deciding anything, I'm just saying - when you're drunk, you don't make rational decisions. If you make an irrational decision to have drunken sex, why don't you have to pay the consequences? If you're driving drunk and you drive into a tree and die, whose fault is that? It should still be free-will if you want to have drunken sex, go ahead - but you can't say that an irrationally made decision should prevent this product from being further manufactured.who are you to decide if someone should be having drunken sex? seeing as you stated a women should be allowed to stick anything in her that she wants, thats an example of free-will and having free choice, seems like you are having a double standard.
FAQ said:Is it possible for a rapist to see if a woman is wearing RAPEX?
Absolutely not! It fits behind the labia and has no strings or anything protruding
FAQ said:Won't the man initially feel this?
When a rapist attacks, he looses control of his senses. He will become aware of the device when it is too late.
FAQ said:How is RAPEX inserted and removed?
It is inserted with an applicator like a tampon, and removed with the same applicator. No applicator, no removal.
Sorry, I was under the impression that you were going by pure logic, in which morality is non-existent. Logic is making the right choice, even if it is immoral. Morality is making decisions based on so called "human" values.
antchak said:Moral rights have no place in a logical debate
antchak said:So I will gladly hear your opinion, but you seem to be ambiguous as to where you stand. Logic is often "the right decision is not necessarily the good decision (good ethically)", whereas morality is making decisions that may be wrong, but with good moral reasons. The classic example of sacrificing a few to save many (logic), or not sacrificing one person to save the world (morality).
Shredderbeam said:To begin with, everything discussed here will be built from axioms. An axiom is a self-evident truth that cannot be broken down into a more simple form. If you build an argument out of axioms, then your position is correct.
1. I am.
1 a. To propose such a thing, I must exist.
1 b. I have proposed it.
1 c. Therefore, I exist (I am).
2. I am conscious.
2 a. To propose such a thing, I must be conscious.
2 b. I have proposed it.
2 c. Therefore, I am conscious.
3. I have free will.
3 a. Consciousness is the ability to think.
3 b. The ability to think entails free will.
3 c. Therefore, I have free will.
4. I can know of/interact with reality.
4 b. I am a part of reality.
4 c. I have free will.
4 d. Therefore, choices that I make affect reality.
5. Correct/incorrect decisions exist.
6. Morality is the means of determining whether my decisions, as applied to other beings of free will, are correct or incorrect, right or wrong, logical or illogical.
Now, as beings of free will, we must bear in mind that we are biological creatures, and thus have certain needs and desires. It is rational and justified for us to fulfill these needs and desires, and continue to exist.
Morality must apply to all rational beings. It cannot apply to some, and not to others. If it is moral for you to own land, then it must be moral for me to do the same. If it is moral for you to exist, then it must be moral for me to do the same. This also swings the other way. If it is moral for the government to tax me, then it must be moral for me to tax others. If it is moral for them to force people to join the military, and fight in wars, then it must be moral for me to do that to my neighbors.
Ok but lets say the female gets drunk? And she forgets she has it in and comes onto the male X.X
Objective morality is derived from logic.
They certainly do.
Morality and logic are not separate things:

