Rape-X Anti-Rape Female-Condom

[Shredderbeam]

No I disagree with its release. I agree with a woman being able to do whatever she wants to her own body, but as I've said multiple times, accidents could happen with thing.

Yes, accidents can happen. Your solution is to ban her from owning her vagina? It simply cannot be done, this is a natural right.

She puts it in before she goes to a party, she meets a lad at a party, they both get hammered, they head for the bedroom, she forgets about it...

Woman turns on gas stove, woman forgets to light stove, woman goes out, sleeping children die...

SOLUTION: BAN GAS STOVES

If such a thing happened, the man could take the woman to court.

Also - isn't this abit brutal? If a man attempts to rape a woman, it does its job, he gets VERY angry and kills the woman.

That's a concern for the woman. I'm sure she'll make up her own mind on that.

Also it would lead to more brutal rapes. Rapists would hear about this then and always check before they do their business.

So because a product wouldn't be useful, you have a right to ban it?

 

[MatthewGor123]

i think you should read up more about this before commenting, some of the models of the Rape-X device even actually have somewhat like an arrow head with a 4 blade head that cuts the part of the penis into 4 pieces, and some contain darts that will tranqualize the man, making it able to be used for the women to rob people with.

Link please?

Here's all I've found:

Initially called RapeX, the name was changed in 2006 upon discovering that RAPEX is also an EU warning system against dangerous goods on the market.

The device, known as Rape-aXe, is a latex sheath embedded with shafts of sharp, inward-facing barbs that would be worn by a woman in her vagina like a tampon. If an attacker were to attempt vaginal rape, their penis would enter the latex sheath and be snagged by the barbs, causing the attacker excruciating pain during withdrawal and (ideally) giving the victim time to escape. The condom would remain attached to the attacker's body when he withdrew and could only be removed surgically, which would alert hospital staff and police. This device could assist in the identification and prosecution of rapists. Like most condoms, Rape-aXe also usually prevents pregnancy and the transmission of HIV and sexually transmitted diseases.[3]

Will it cause permanent damage to the rapist?

Your second concern. No, it will not cause permanent damage to the rapist he will have tell tale little scars on him. (He will have some explaining to do to his wife or girlfriend how he encountered those scars.)

And you're right - forbidding the usage of this product would be a breach of constitutionally-granted rights.

Also - isn't this abit brutal? If a man attempts to rape a woman, it does its job, he gets VERY angry and kills the woman.

And Nathan, have you ever gotten your dick stuck in a zipper? Let me just tell you, it hurts like a FUCKING BITCH. You don't think about ANYTHING else, other than getting your dick out of the zipper. The main purpose of this is to buy the victim time to escape, because obviously - if the guy is in THAT MUCH pain, he wouldn't be thinking rationally and kill the victim - and, by the time he realizes it's impossible to remove without causing much more pain and permanent damage, the victim will be long gone. Anyways, shouldn't that be a risk the WOMAN should have the right to take?

 

[MegaMatt]

The issue with drugs is equally ridiculous.

I agree.

 

[Shredderbeam]

actually by banning this product, you would be banning something that can be used as a preventive measure of protecting yourself yet it could be used as a malicious tool, and if this product doesn't release, or stops being released there would be no need for "check-points" to make sure a women doesn't have it in.

Oh, you're right, of course. Banning a product means that nobody, ever, will have access to it. That's exactly what happens with drugs, guns, and other such contraband, right?

 

[MatthewGor123]

Oh, you're right, of course. Banning a product means that nobody, ever, will have access to it. That's exactly what happens with drugs, guns, and other such contraband, right?

Rofl. SALT. And anyways, the product has been in circulation for over a year. I'm sure people have already figured out how to make it anyways, so if the company was shut down - people would still sell it in the "black market" so to speak. Fail idea @ Xestrox.

 

[Nathan III]

Yes, accidents can happen. Your solution is to ban her from owning her vagina? It simply cannot be done, this is a natural right.



Woman turns on gas stove, woman forgets to light stove, woman goes out, sleeping children die...

SOLUTION: BAN GAS STOVES

If such a thing happened, the man could take the woman to court.



That's a concern for the woman. I'm sure she'll make up her own mind on that.



So because a product wouldn't be useful, you have a right to ban it?

I'm not giving any solutions.
I'm just saying I disagree with this being released. I have no right to tell anyone what to do with their body. It's too dangerous, also, what if there's a malfunction with the device? She's basically got a spring and a blade in her vagina.
Yes, I do have a lot of 'What ifs, but when something like this involves cutting off part of a human being, you really do need to think of the what ifs.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I'm not giving any solutions.
I'm just saying I disagree with this being released. I have no right to tell anyone what to do with their body. It's too dangerous, also, what if there's a malfunction with the device? She's basically got a spring and a blade in her vagina.

That's something for her to worry about, not you.

Yes, I do have a lot of 'What ifs, but when something like this involves cutting off part of a human being, you really do need to think of the what ifs.

Yes, as long as we toss out the irrelevant ones (i.e. - all of them so far).

 

[xestrox]

The device, which Sonette Ehlers, its inventor, has patented, is worn like a tampon but is hollow. In the event of a rape, she said that it would fold around the rapist’s penis and attach itself with microscopic hooks. It is impossible to remove the clamped device without medical intervention

above is quoted from the provided link below.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article531013.ece

read that before commenting, and matthewgor there's your link i provided for you.

 

[xestrox]

i feel this device will increase violence against women, seeing as if a man sticks his penis forcefully into a women during rape or even if they are both intoxicated and she forgets its there, he obviously has already overpowered her and has control, so if he gets blades or metal stuck into his penis he will snap into a rage mode, and probably either kill the girl or beat her badly and maybe pull the device out and than rape her aswell.

 

[MatthewGor123]

1) All the questions so far against it have been brought up in the FAQ on the official website. I'd recommend checking these sites out: http://www.antirape.co.za/questions.htm, http://www.rapestop.net/faq/index.asp before posting any more of your "what-ifs" as they are basically all answered there.

2) Xestrox, maybe if you knew how to read, you'd realize that "cutting into" and "cutting off" are completely different. I could cut into your finger by giving you a papercut, but I sure as hell couldn't cut it off. I could give you a scar, but I sure as hell couldn't amputate your finger. Anyways, YOUFAILYouFail.org. Sorry, I'd been waiting to use that, and I don't think I've had a much better opportunity.

 

[xestrox]

Or it could act as a deterrent.

http://www.erinweed.com/anti-rape-condom.htm


read about that, and how it can be negatively used,



aswell as for everyone else that agrees with this product, as i said it can be used maliciously, but i'd like you to take into consideration that if a man is raping a women and sticks his penis into her and gets stabbed by rape-x's spikes he is going to further harm the female,

in sweden there is a device similar to this called femdefence, it works similar but with a pointed blade instead of spikes.

 

[MatthewGor123]

http://www.erinweed.com/anti-rape-condom.htm read about that, and how it can be negatively used

This site provided no insight whatsoever...it just said that she doesn't want one for all the stupid reasons we've already negated earlier.

aswell as for everyone else that agrees with this product, as i said it can be used maliciously

So can almost everything you own. Generally, the good outweighs the bad.

but i'd like you to take into consideration that if a man is raping a women and sticks his penis into her and gets stabbed by rape-x's spikes he is going to further harm the female

How is he going to further harm the female? The device only works when the penis is removed from the vagina. Again, did you read the stuff on the links I posted? The man has a latex thing attached to his dick that hurts like FUCK. He gets many signals to his brain telling him to remove that latex thing ASAP because it hurts so fucking bad. It hurts so much that he wouldn't even be able to kill her anyways. The latex thingy slips off, the woman runs away, the man has a latex thing on his dick that he can't remove, the man gets charged for rape, everyone is happy. Comprende?

in sweden there is a device similar to this called femdefence, it works similar but with a pointed blade instead of spikes.

Cool?

 

[Shredderbeam]

i feel this device will increase violence against women, seeing as if a man sticks his penis forcefully into a women during rape or even if they are both intoxicated and she forgets its there, he obviously has already overpowered her and has control, so if he gets blades or metal stuck into his penis he will snap into a rage mode, and probably either kill the girl or beat her badly and maybe pull the device out and than rape her aswell.

Your argument presupposes that the effectiveness of the device is what determines whether the woman should be allowed to use it. In actuality, the real issue is that the woman inherently has the right to put anything she wants into her vagina - and you are disputing this. You are arguing against the self-ownership principle.

 

[xestrox]

This site provided no insight whatsoever...it just said that she doesn't want one for all the stupid reasons we've already negated earlier.


So can almost everything you own. Generally, the good outweighs the bad.


How is he going to further harm the female? The device only works when the penis is removed from the vagina. Again, did you read the stuff on the links I posted? The man has a latex thing attached to his dick that hurts like FUCK. He gets many signals to his brain telling him to remove that latex thing ASAP because it hurts so fucking bad. It hurts so much that he wouldn't even be able to kill her anyways. The latex thingy slips off, the woman runs away, the man has a latex thing on his dick that he can't remove, the man gets charged for rape, everyone is happy. Comprende?


Cool?

obviously you didn't read the link provided on the first page on the first message i made when i created this thread, it activates when the penis pushes pressure into it, not when being removed, how the fuck would a device work when being removed when during sex ur moving ur penis in and almost out of the vagina??? explain that please. i doubt you will have an intellectual answer seeing as it contradicts your entire statement.

Your argument presupposes that the effectiveness of the device is what determines whether the woman should be allowed to use it. In actuality, the real issue is that the woman inherently has the right to put anything she wants into her vagina - and you are disputing this. You are arguing against the self-ownership principle.

no, what im disputing is that i dont feel it should be legal or released because it may be used in a nagetiva manner for purposes other than the sole purpose it is made for, please tell me how you feel it would help seeing as it will enrage the rapist and make him result to things such as murder?

 

[Shredderbeam]

no, what im disputing is that i dont feel it should be legal or released because it may be used in a nagetiva manner for purposes other than the sole purpose it is made for, please tell me how you feel it would help seeing as it will enrage the rapist and make him result to things such as murder?

Then your argument presupposes that what the device may be used for determines whether individuals have a right to possess it. This violate's the individual's natural rights.

I did not state that it would be a helpful device, I argued that the woman has the right to insert it inside her if she so wishes.

 

[xestrox]

Then your argument presupposes that what the device may be used for determines whether individuals have a right to possess it. This violate's the individual's natural rights.

I did not state that it would be a helpful device, I argued that the woman has the right to insert it inside her if she so wishes.

but it's the malicious purposes that it may be used for that change if that right should be given.

aswell as, does that mean you would support the release of a device that increases pleasure when raping an underage kid? seeing as of course if you would be against it that would be violating the right of the child rapist to use the new device over his penis to increase pleasure?

 

[Shredderbeam]

but it's the malicious purposes that it may be used for that change if that right should be given.

Potential malicious purposes do not erase inherent rights. The woman always has the right to put anything into her vagina.

aswell as, does that mean you would support the release of a device that increases pleasure when raping an underage kid? seeing as of course if you would be against it that would be violating the right of the child rapist to use the new device over his penis to increase pleasure?

If a manufacturer wishes to release a sexual pleasure enhancer, it's really up to him.

 

[xestrox]

QUOTED BY ME( XESTROX ) aswell as, does that mean you would support the release of a device that increases pleasure when raping an underage kid? seeing as of course if you would be against it that would be violating the right of the child rapist to use the new device over his penis to increase pleasure?

If a manufacturer wishes to release a sexual pleasure enhancer, it's really up to him.

Does anyone else disagree with him other than me? or do you all support any device being released even if its for raping a child?

 

[Shredderbeam]

Does anyone else disagree with him other than me? or do you all support any device being released even if its for raping a child?

I thought it was a sexual pleasure enhancer?

In any case, it's irrelevant. You do not have the right to override my rights.

Also, if we're making wild analogies here, should we ban knives because they may be used for stabbing? Should we ban glass, as when broken, it's dangerous?

 

[MatthewGor123]

obviously you didn't read the link provided on the first page on the first message i made when i created this thread, it activates when the penis pushes pressure into it, not when being removed, how the fuck would a device work when being removed when during sex ur moving ur penis in and almost out of the vagina??? explain that please. i doubt you will have an intellectual answer seeing as it contradicts your entire statement.

You know how some medieval arrows work? They're shaped like: >---|> for a reason. As the arrow gets lodged in the chest, it is almost impossible to remove without causing EVEN MORE pain, because the "hooked" ends catch on to the skin and other stuff. It's really quite nasty.

This device works the same way; the "hooks" snap onto the penis when it's inserted, causing great pain - but the pain is intensified as the rapist tries to remove his penis. When he is able to do so, the device is stuck onto the penis, and as he's trying to get it off (because, as I said before, it's EXCRUCIATING pain), the victim has a chance to escape. Why don't YOU do some research?

Check out the animation on this page: http://www.antirape.co.za/intro.htm

Given that you don't know anything about the subject you're debating, you fail right there. And this is just the debate of whether the manufacturer can produce them -- the woman has the right (as Shredder said) to put whatever the fuck she wants in her vagina.