Disallow offsite vouches

A while back this seemed to already be a thing, however now offsite vouches can be claimed as feedback also on sythe.org.

This isn't to bash those users who are active on other sites; but the issue with allowing offsite vouches is that some traders request vouches on every site they trade on.

What this means is for one trade, if you and the user you are trading with also trades on 3 other sites other than sythe.org - you are essentially getting 4x the vouch count for just one trade.

Obviously this doesn't always happen, but it's not too uncommon that one user also uses another forum with active markets, and requests you vouch them there rather than here. When this happens more often than not they also leave feedback on the other forums.

Just food for thought and would be interesting what others would have to say on the matter.

Edit: an example (obscured to protect the individuals identity)

 

Gunna put this in the same boat as Disallow people using skype and discord message as sythe vouch's so i'll say I agree that vouches shouldn't be used anywhere other than their origin, but like that thread concluded, it can be moved around as long as it is provable. So i'll go with no support cause I doubt it will pass, good suggestion tho @Dieze

 

Gunna put this in the same boat as Disallow people using skype and discord message as sythe vouch's so i'll say I agree that vouches shouldn't be used anywhere other than their origin, but like that thread concluded, it can be moved around as long as it is provable. So i'll go with no support cause I doubt it will pass, good suggestion tho @Dieze

yea i understand the provable aspect; just there is an underlying issue which im not sure has been addressed or not of vouches being double counted.

Here is an example to help prove my point - however obscured some to try protect the identity of the individual involved

 

yea i understand the provable aspect; just there is an underlying issue which im not sure has been addressed or not of vouches being double counted.

Here is an example to help prove my point - however obscured some to try protect the identity of the individual involved

Ya I understand, it is mostly businesses or larger services that do it too which makes it even sadder, but tbh people should stop trying to protect identities when bringing up things in suggestions lol, it doesn't hurt anyone as long you are honest.

 

I think the general ruling is you can't claim offsite feedback aside from a select few people with a lot of off site reps like chicks that had asked sythe if they were allowed to claim it on here. If that's the current system I'm fine with it, when you have thousands of vouches they start to have little significance to customers.

 

[Pain]

Around and around we forever go.

This gets allowed, then gets disallowed, then gets allowed, then gets disallowed.

This is legitimately the 5th time that this has came up, its like once a year.

I get tired of the sythe community constantly reversing their feelings so often.

I'm fine with disallowing offsite feedback perm and only allowing vouches, although if this passes its just going to get reversed back a year from now by some dickhead.

Around and around we go.

 

since that is my vouch copy paste, i may be biased, but obviously no1 cares about your vouches after 1k and 1003 and 1005 or 2k or 2.1k or 4.2k, no1 really checks that, they only check if your legit, good price or bad, compare prices(maybe) and then the sale follows.

Besides that, if someone is trusted on sythe, he is trusted on powerbot, if u have 2k feedback on powerbot does that make you untrustworthy on sythe because u have 5 for example here? All legitimate feedback and vouches should count. No customer vouches on more than 1 place, the copy paste is based on the fact we have no idea where the customer comes from. Its hard to get a customer to vouch on 1 place, yet alone on 5.

 

I support this suggestion, also could have people fake vouching on lesser known sites with not as much not regulation that are not regulated as much as sythe (if that makes sense),

I don't mind it being in the thread, just don't like it being in the thread title.

 

I support this suggestion, also could have people fake vouching on lesser known sites with not as much not regulation that are not regulated as much as sythe (if that makes sense)

why not have websites allowed and websites not allowed, playerauctions is obviously legitimate in feedback, u 100% have to pay for an order, confirm delivery, then feedback
powerbot has a lot of people running around peoples feedback reporting them for different reasons
If this rule will be allowed and dissallowed its obvious that the community has mixed oppinions but this only means that there are some forums that shouldnt be allowed, and others that should. Control it instead of disabling it in my opinion

 

[ChoccyBrights]

When people try to tell me their vouches, I don't acknowledge anything off Sythe and I tell them that. I don't care if you've got 200 offsite feedback, if you've got 2 on here, you're not as reputable to me.

 

When people try to tell me their vouches, I don't acknowledge anything off Sythe and I tell them that. I don't care if you've got 200 offsite feedback, if you've got 2 on here, you're not as reputable to me.

obviously there are 2-3 legitimate sources, just list them for proof and thats it, why does it have to be so complicated

 

[ChoccyBrights]

obviously there are 2-3 legitimate sources, just list them for proof and thats it, why does it have to be so complicated

I completely understand other sources are legit, it's more of principle with me personally. I do not use those sites, they do not apply to me. If I decide to branch out to those communities though then my personal opinion my change, I'm saying stuff very subjectively to me and my views to clarify I support the disallowing of offsite vouches, but I think that there's also people who support it. I don't really care either way though, as I said if someone presents me offsite vouches, they're not applicable, and I just hate when people act like they are. Imo if you come to the Sythe market, you may present other vouches to imply more legitness or w/e, but people imo shouldn't use offsite vouches to trump someone with more vouches on Sythe if that makes sense

 

[chiefs]

When people try to tell me their vouches, I don't acknowledge anything off Sythe and I tell them that. I don't care if you've got 200 offsite feedback, if you've got 2 on here, you're not as reputable to me.

Id say a lot of this can be evaluated on a case by case basis, but for the most part a lot of the people who are highly repituable to the point where you are trusting them with a sizeable amount they will almost always of been versed in sythe and as a result be heavily vouched on here, the only issue lies more than likely with more niche sites of a similar nature, powerbot for an example if a user is heavily a bot/"underworld" user its more than likely they utilised powerbot for the majority of there trades and as a result may be an exception to my previous point of having low vouches on sythe specifically.

 

Id say a lot of this can be evaluated on a case by case basis, but for the most part a lot of the people who are highly repituable to the point where you are trusting them with a sizeable amount they will almost always of been versed in sythe and as a result be heavily vouched on here, the only issue lies more than likely with more niche sites of a similar nature, powerbot for an example if a user is heavily a bot/"underworld" user its more than likely they utilised powerbot for the majority of there trades and as a result may be an exception to my previous point of having low vouches on sythe specifically.

i agree but case to case bases is exceptions and sythe community and any community doesnt like exceptions

 

[FireZ]

Should have just been kept to Sythe and PA...nothing else should ever count

 

[Shin]

Offsite vouches aren't allowed or honored on Sythe. It's in the rules?

 

[ChoccyBrights]

Offsite vouches aren't allowed or honored on Sythe. It's in the rules?

It would be highly worth it in my opinion to sticky that rule to all market subforums due to the fact
-Not everyone reads rules
-Seems to be commonly violated from what i've seen
-All around just would be good as a stickied thread, saves the mods time in warning as many people too prob

 

Ok but is the op making a statement about requesting vouches or about posting ur vouches in a thread to proove ur legit, two different cases, are they not?

Offsite vouches aren't allowed or honored on Sythe. It's in the rules?

Should have just been kept to Sythe and PA...nothing else should ever count

 

Ok but is the op making a statement about requesting vouches or about posting ur vouches in a thread to proove ur legit, two different cases, are they not?

i was referencing people using offsite feedback here on sythe - yes i understand your points of being known on several different forums - but when people vouch multiple places then one trade can equal 2, 3 or 4 vouches which is unfair.

For example a newcomer could technically do 10 trades, and have 50 combined feedback if he took a vouch on 5 different sites. Obviously this is exaggerated but its to help explain the point i was referencing in the OP.

Offsite vouches aren't allowed or honored on Sythe. It's in the rules?

Currently exceptions are being made - i think the currently ruling by staff is "if you can prove the offsite feedback is yours, then you can use it on sythe." So basically you can double count vouches if you claim it on multiples sites.

 

offsite vouches never were allowed