The Existence of God

[Faskist]

i agree with shredderbeam, so no

What an argument. You must be the brightest kid in your highschool debates class.

 

[insausage68]

well...

If you look in the Bible, there are an amazing number of people that God wants his followers to murder. For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Think about that how many people work on the Sabbath

Then there is Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.
All homosexuals need to be killed. What about this:

If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.

That's a lot of people who need to be killed.

In other words, if we actually listened to what God says, we would need to kill at least half of the people in America tomorrow. After all, Isaiah 40:8 says, "The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever." The word of the Lord tells us to kill half of the U.S. population.

There are two things in this that show you that God is imaginary. First there is the utter stupidity of these verses. Second, there is this fact: If God is an all-powerful being, he would kill them himself

I'm no theologian, but I think that the religious argument against this is that the Old Testament laws don't apply anymore (you don't see people sacrificing goats at church anymore) because of Jesus dieing or something like that.

 

[porman]

I'm no theologian, but I think that the religious argument against this is that the Old Testament laws don't apply anymore (you don't see people sacrificing goats at church anymore) because of Jesus dieing or something like that.

The old testiment was still "written by god" wasnt it? It "doesnt apply anymore" because people are ignoring it. God never said, oh ignore what i said before . he didnt change his mind on what he said. and if he did then he cant be this perfect god now can he

 

[Swan]

The old testiment was still "written by god" wasnt it? It "doesnt apply anymore" because people are ignoring it. God never said, oh ignore what i said before . he didnt change his mind on what he said. and if he did then he cant be this perfect god now can he

"In the old testament God was full of wrath and vengeance,
in the new testament he was all forgiving and kind.

You know what happened between those two time periods? He got laid"

I Lol'd when I saw that quote on Bash, I thought it appropriate to post here.

Anyway, I do not believe in any god, for obvious reasons that have already been discussed in this thread. Besides, I really dislike wishful thinking.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I'm no theologian, but I think that the religious argument against this is that the Old Testament laws don't apply anymore (you don't see people sacrificing goats at church anymore) because of Jesus dieing or something like that.

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)

 

[Transparent]

What an argument. You must be the brightest kid in your highschool debates class.

Agreed...
I once got in an argument with Darren on MSN about this whole god thing.. and he drives a REALLY good argument and he has me half-convinced.. I honestly don't know.. I checked Yes because I am so confused.. there is an argument on both sides. What I said to him was facts:
--The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
--Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water).
~~Does God exist? To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God. NOW WHY WOULD SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE?
This is the reason Shredderbeam provided me which can be right.. How do we know all these miracles by Jesus are true? No one has any proof, and we are all grown up to believe it.. so any proof? No.
There are many other things I can say but I must go soon, so no point. But yeah.

 

[Faskist]

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17)

That's why he got rid of Atlantis, so we would stop sacrificing goats.

 

[death_rockz]

Do you believe in him though just because of hell? As in, I dont think that half as many people would believe in god, if there was no such thing as "hell"

I would have to agree.
Although i do believe in him.
That's one of the main reasons, i just do want my soul to burn, or as it says in the bible 'to have the mark of the beast (666) and live through the rapture for 7 years.'
I'm too too sure but if there wasn't such thing as hell I'm not sure if i would still believe in hell.
I probably would though because my family is very religious.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Agreed...
I once got in an argument with Darren on MSN about this whole god thing.. and he drives a REALLY good argument and he has me half-convinced.. I honestly don't know.. I checked Yes because I am so confused.. there is an argument on both sides. What I said to him was facts:
--The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
--Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water).
~~Does God exist? To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God. NOW WHY WOULD SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE?
This is the reason Shredderbeam provided me which can be right.. How do we know all these miracles by Jesus are true? No one has any proof, and we are all grown up to believe it.. so any proof? No.
There are many other things I can say but I must go soon, so no point. But yeah.

The near-perfect positioning of the Earth can be explained by the Anthropic principle.

Does Santa exist? To state with certainty that there is no Santa, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of children who are convinced that there is a God. NOW WHY WOULD SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE?

 

[Ripvayne]

well...

If you look in the Bible, there are an amazing number of people that God wants his followers to murder. For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

Think about that how many people work on the Sabbath

Then there is Leviticus 20:13:

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.
All homosexuals need to be killed. What about this:

If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.

That's a lot of people who need to be killed.

In other words, if we actually listened to what God says, we would need to kill at least half of the people in America tomorrow. After all, Isaiah 40:8 says, "The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever." The word of the Lord tells us to kill half of the U.S. population.

There are two things in this that show you that God is imaginary. First there is the utter stupidity of these verses. Second, there is this fact: If God is an all-powerful being, he would kill them himself

You're missing the big picture.
He don't want US to kill anyone. People make their own desicions, when they die. God will judge them, put to death by meaning, they have commited a act of terror without asking God for forgiveness. And for that they shall be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire.

You say. "Well why would a loving God send us to hell?"
Because when you disobey God. It's betraying his Trust.
And respect is the first thing that should be showed to him. He is the Alpha and the Omega the Beginning and the End.

People try to bypass God with there so called "logic and sciences". So that they can have an excuse to do whatever they want, thinking they have no consequense for there actions.

In the end God does exist. Most people who do not believe in God has had something terrible happen in there life, causing them to turn there back on him.

Besides, even if you don't believe in God. You can still be a good person. That's all he really wants.

 

[Shredderbeam]

You're missing the big picture.
He don't want US to kill anyone. People make their own desicions, when they die. God will judge them, put to death by meaning, they have commited a act of terror without asking God for forgiveness. And for that they shall be cast into the eternal Lake of Fire.

You say. "Well why would a loving God send us to hell?"
Because when you disobey God. It's betraying his Trust.
And respect is the first thing that should be showed to him. He is the Alpha and the Omega the Beginning and the End.

People try to bypass God with there so called "logic and sciences". So that they can have an excuse to do whatever they want, thinking they have no consequense for there actions.

In the end God does exist. Most people who do not believe in God has had something terrible happen in there life, causing them to turn there back on him.

Besides, even if you don't believe in God. You can still be a good person. That's all he really wants.

Remind me again, what empirical evidence do you have of God's existence?

 

[Ripvayne]

Remind me again, what empirical evidence do you have of God's existence?

Buddy, all I need is faith.

 

[TJ]

Buddy, all I need is faith.

Religion is the number 1 major cause of war and hatred within the world.

 

[Transparent]

NOW WHY WOULD SO MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE?

My point exactly, maybe it's because they need to believe that if they have a stress-full life, it will be repaid in the other world. They just need to believe, I mean when you told me so much stuff and I didn't believe for like a week, I was changed.. I became a diff. person, I kind of need to believe a LITTLE BIT.. My dad is Muslim (Iranian) and my mom is Catholic (Italian) and I don't do anything required.. I just.. sort of believe?

 

[juvenilepunk]

I used to believe in "god" until I thought "hey theres no facts or logical proof to this god only an old book, people telling me what to believe and not to believe, and how to live my life and what I can or cant do". So now I just simply think of "god" as an imaginary creature just as "real" as your unicorn or leprachaun, that you pay your hard earned money towards, and for what I may ask?

 

[Shredderbeam]

Buddy, all I need is faith.

Faith is believing without evidence. It is belief in the arbitrary, which is irrational. Why would you do such a thing?

 

[MrGoosey]

Do you believe in him though just because of hell? As in, I dont think that half as many people would believe in god, if there was no such thing as "hell"

I dont believe him just because of "hell", I believe on him as if there is no God why is Earth here, If there is no god there why are we still living?

What empirical evidence do you have of his existence?

Well, I listen to a guy called a "Priest" and he read a book called "Bible" teach me a lot of things about the guy "Jesus" and "God", and what he did to the world that we are still living now.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I dont believe him just because of "hell", I believe on him as if there is no God why is Earth here, If there is no god there why are we still living.

That's a classic example of the Argument from Ignorance - "I don't know how this could happen without a supernatural being allowing it, so therefore, a supernatural being must exist!"

Well, I listen to a guy called a "Priest" and he read a book called "Bible" teach me a lot of things about the guy "Jesus" and "God", and what he did to the world that we are still living now.

Stop, and think for a second. Does the existence of a book that claims "God exists" necessarily imply that God exists? Imagine that all of humanity has been wrong about God, and that no such being exists. Would the Bible vanish, or would it still exist, as a simply incorrect document?

 

[juvenilepunk]

I dont believe him just because of "hell", I believe on him as if there is no God why is Earth here, If there is no god there why are we still living?

That argument is completely flawed, so you are saying if god just magically
disappeared your whole world as you know it would just magically disappear right along with him and everything would just vanish as if it never existed to begin with? So tell me if god disappears how exactly can you prove he is gone, and if you cant prove that he is gone, then how can you say he existed in the first place?

 

[Swan]

I dont believe him just because of "hell", I believe on him as if there is no God why is Earth here, If there is no god there why are we still living?



Well, I listen to a guy called a "Priest" and he read a book called "Bible" teach me a lot of things about the guy "Jesus" and "God", and what he did to the world that we are still living now.

Failure.

Read the Qur'ran. Yet another "holy book", which states the beliefs of the Muslim religion. Therefore, I could use your "argument of ignorance" as Shredder calls it, and say "The Qur'ran exists, therefore it must be true!".