The Existence of God

No, it doesn't imply that God exist. But to have faith is to belive in god. I know there is no evidence that God was even on earth and only a "book" was the only document that is telling Christians, Catholics, Muslims and Jews that god was here. I CAN say he existed in my heart, but I can't prove that to non-believers as there is no proof that he existed, that can make you guys believe. Yet you guys don't believe on him because you can't see him? For example Air. Do you believe in air? Even though you can't see it?

 

Well said.. Well said. I think this is a very good point, this is where the word "Belief" comes to hand. If there was proof, everyone would believe/go to heaven. This world is supposed to be a trial/test to see who believes and does good, so he/she can be rewarded in the afterlife. I personally am still confused

 

There is no evidence, yet you "just believe"? You only believe because you were RAISED to believe! If you were raised as an Atheist, you'd very probably be an Atheist today!

 

Your saying there is no proof that god actually exists, meaning there is no god

Air and god are totally different. Can i feal god on my skin and push my hair back and make my eyes water, I think not my friend? Can i hear god, once again i think not? Dont use Air as a defence for your case you will surely lose.

 

What were you raised to be, I wonder?

Surly if you could read which you can't you would see the whole sentence.. not the only section that defends your argument. Don't try and sound smart in front of Shredderbeam thinking you're a smart ass.. And Goose is comparing god to air not wind idiot. Learn the difference. Wind is not the same as air.. you don't breathe wind, and yes, it wasn't a good choice but he didn't say wind. This is why people "Believe".. it's what separates them from the NON-believers. Maybe you should first of all LEARN WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT then just merely read the title, and say something stupid.

 

Yes, i was born a Catholic and always will be. Yea, i'm a Catholic because i was born that way, but I'm not going to change. I personally see God in my life constantly. And I'm definitely not saying this blindly, I'm smart enough to come to my own conclusions. Honestly I can't prove that God is real, i believe in him because of my faith, and i wish everyone else had faith too, but of course not everyone does.

 

A Catholic.

Wind is moving air. You definitely can breathe wind.

Air is measurable and testable. God is not.

 

Ahh so someone ELSE CONVINCED YOU.. just like people go on missions and convince other people. There is no proof to say that god didn't make everything nor is there to say that he did.

Solar winds are breathable I presume?

Gas ≠ Specifically Air

 

No, I just thought logically. In essence, reason convinced me.

There's also no proof against Santa Claus.

They're not really "wind". They're just called that because it's an easy way for the human mind to picture how it functions.

All right, wind is moving gases. My point is still valid - it is testable. God is not.

 

The bible contadicting itself is just one of many examples. The very idea of "God" contradicts all that we know through science. To believe in the Christian God is to throw away modern science for something that makes you feel secure.

 

Well people think of god as their logic.
Don't ridicule the subject by bringing santa, we all know he is a load of shit.
~NOTHING TO SAY~
God can be testable, many miracles happen each day, many people witness them we can't say that's all bullshit.
YES I AM TRANSPARENT, MADE THIS ACCOUNT CUZ I WANTED MY NAME AS AN ACCOUNT

 

There is only one form of logic.

God and Santa are the same thing. We all "know" that Santa doesn't exist, yet Atheists "know" that God doesn't exist. I honestly hold the two concepts in the same regard.

Actually, the probability of God interfering with the world in the form of a miracle is incredibly low. Since a miracle suspends a natural law, and because the evidence for the operation of these laws is absolutely overwhelming (gravity, Newton's laws, etc.), any mere claim of a miracle is extremely unlikely. To convince anybody of reason, you must have a direct and full proof, which is never the case.

 

Who the hell do you think you are? First of all calling me a smart ass, proves your very immature, second of all I dont need to pretend to be smart I am smart and I dont need to impress anybody so shut the hell up. By telling me to learn what were talking about and not just "merely" read titles proves you are the stupid one, ive made three posts in this thread, I know what were talking about. Third of all half the stuff you say does not even make sense so dont say im making the stupid comments. You have no right to call anyone names and that makes you look like a piece of trash. You want to be trash fine by me but I dont want to hear it. Also I never once mentioned wind, and I know the difference between wind and air but I dont think you do, so once again you are the wrong one. You Lose. Good Day.

 

Please define miracle for me. Because I think you are getting it confused with the word "probability."

Oh, and how dare you call santa a load of shit. You can't prove %100 that he doesn't exist so shoop da whoop.

 

From what side do you speak? From your side, as an atheist.

Well, Santa NO ONE BELIEVES IN, God, only atheists.

There are many reports.. millions of people who say that Miracles have happened.

WOAH WOAH WOAH.. Hold it there.. I didn't call you stupid I called that comment stupid. He said air, you said wind, and you made an argument, it's like when Shredderbeam saying Santa I start arguing about X-Mas trees. I was not insulting you, I am just saying that you tried to sound smart. Chill the hell out and what are you trying to be now? Stubborn as a mule? "You Lose. Good Day." I don't care for what you have to say, just don't make your own stuff up and chill, you're freaking out at me for saying one little thing, it's debate, you didn't do a good thing, I pointed it out, you don't go flaming people.

 

From the perspective of a realist. You can argue that 2 + 2 = 5 all you want, but if you try to put this to work in reality, you may not survive.

It doesn't matter how many people believe in a concept - it's just as valid whether it's universally respected or laughed at.

I'd wager that a fair chunk of them are those of the Christian housewife, who is so convinced that Jesus helped her get the stain out of her shirt, yet neglects to explain why God allows thousands of people to starve to death a year.

 

So for something to be true people have to believe in it with you to give it more credibility?

Basically, man kinds a comforting concept and says "hey we should believe this". This spreads quickly up until the point that people say, "hey it must be true, everyone believes it" EVEN when the very idea of it has NO empirical evidence.

But finally people are starting to get the picture, VERY slowly. Christian populations are dropping as science emerges and basic human intellect rises. But a bright future remains quite dim.

 

Jesse I wasnt even responding to you, I have no problem with you
I was commenting to Transparent.

Edit: Ok I see you are both Jesse and Transparent, once again you misread my comment I never said you called me stupid, and also yes this a debate so show some manners and not call me a Smartass and say im trying to impress Shredder. And yes I think I have enough permission to flame someone when they call me a smartass to begin with.

 

Everyone disobeys god. everyone has worked on a sunday.

Luke 14:33
"Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple"

I dont know anyone that gives away everything they earn to the poor, do you? if not then you, yes you, are disobeying god.

now, do you think you should go to hell for this?

 

Numbers are just symbols, and once again, I already said I can't prove gods existence, but that is why people believe, they believe in a god, and 'hope' that one day they will be rewarded, just because I believe in everything, doesn't mean I follow it, I am supposed to be either Muslim or Catholic, I drink, eat everything, smoke, and have sex, and all of the other "Forbidden Sins" I am just not simply gonna make my life as an atheist.

You can't argue with Santa, I have seen MY PARENTS put the presents there always never have I seen a "Santa". It is like if I were an Atheist, I bring in the easter bunny, I am not a Christian and they believe in many things such as Painting eggs on the "Resurrection of Christ" Which is completely Irrelevant.
Religion is all about belief and NOTHING ABOUT PROOF. There are enough proof for the believers to keep believing and not enough for the Atheists to keep on being who they are.

Woah, woah, you're joking? http://bibleprobe.com/miracles.htm and MANY MANY MORE SITES show that doctors and soldiers and regular people have seen Angels, have seen Miracles, etc. Please don't mock the meaning of Miracle to all Real Faithful people in this site.

Being a disciple is a willing thing to do, it doesn't mean can go to heaven or will be struck down..
Definitions of disciple on the Web:

* someone who believes and helps to spread the doctrine of another.

Okay, me and you, stop this right now, I'm sorry for calling you a smartass.
Edit: Shredder.. you already know my new beliefs-ish, and I am just arguing on the God site to be up against you/the people who actually ARGUE. I am just trying to be better at religion and perhaps learn something.