Scammer repayment.

These 2 Topic are discussing it:
Removal or adaption to pardon system. (This wasn't even based on the subject)
Scammers should pay % on top of what they scammed to community repayment for pardon

What I suggested:

When a user scam someone, and they are paying them back there should be 10% extra fee for them to pay back the user and it should be given to the user. So let's say I scam 100$, I will need to repay person 110$. This would help a user who facing any grief or damages about the money. This shouldn't apply when the user is paying towards community scheme as it would not be making the user who they scammed feel better about losses and grief etc, This should only apply on scam's over 10$

What will staff need to do make this work:

• When a user says they can't get in contact with user they scammed, They will also need to try to contact him to make sure the scammer isn't trying to lie.

 

[CardSalesRS]

• When a user says they can't get in contact with user they scammed, They will also need to try to contact him to make sure the scammer isn't trying to lie.

That is why Staff require proof of contacting victims, During my pardon i posted a screenshot of the victims skype and it being the same as his one on his sythe profile, So that is pretty pointless. Although i agree more money should be paid on top for the grief/hassle caused by being scammed, I see this more as a deterrent to banned users as they wont want to pay extra on top of what they took.

Tricky subject but interesting.

 

No support this will discourage users from paying back their scams.

 

I believe that the extra % should be given to community repayment and NOT to the scam victim. They would feel good just getting back what they lost, any profit on this wouldn't really make them feel that much better.
Arguably those who have been scammed and not payed back would feel more grief than those who have been paid back, so give the extra % back to those that haven't been paid back.

Further, to argue against :

No support this will discourage users from paying back their scams.

1. This would discourage scams as they would have to pay back more, returning scammers who have paid back are still at square 1 and have not actually suffered any monetary consequences.
2. This would discourage those who have been scammed to retaliate and just earn their losses back from scamming others, as there is more hope of getting refunded via community repayment.
3. Lots of returned scammers simply scam again. This is inevitable, so why not collect the % off the top.
4. Over time, less and less scammers will return and leave the community.


Alternatively
How about... there is a voluntary donation % toward community repayment which you pay during your pardon and could influence the decision of the pardon, but not fully.

This suggestion however probably wont ever pass, that's why i posted mine in the spam forum. Was just tired of seeing people gloating about how they have returned and payed back victims, demanding respect, whereas they aren't even out of pocket for their actions lol.

 

[CardSalesRS]

1. This would discourage scams as they would have to pay back more, returning scammers who have paid back are still at square 1 and have not actually suffered any monetary consequences.

Think this would just encourage ban evading, Would still be scammers no matter what, But with the enforcement of something which could potentially cost them more than the original scam they'd just evade and start again, Think about it, A new person joins, They scam $100 and instead of evading they want to pay back the victim, But there told they gotta pay $110? or $120? there opinion is going to be, Fuck that i aint paying more than i scammed. There's arguments for both sides but i just feel that making scammers pay back more than the original scam will cause more hassle than resolution. As for the idea of giving the extra to the community repayment, there's already a thread for that which seems to work fine, Yea would be nice to get everyone paid back, But some people will never get money back regardless if scammers pay extra or not because of the size of scams.

 

[CardSalesRS]

@A Broken Man make a poll, Then we'll see more peoples opinions that cba to write there argument

 

1. This would discourage scams as they would have to pay back more, returning scammers who have paid back are still at square 1 and have not actually suffered any monetary consequences.

Discouraging who from scamming, the majority of scams that occur are from mass ban evaders, the amount of "trusted users" that scam is incomparable.

2. This would discourage those who have been scammed to retaliate and just earn their losses back from scamming others, as there is more hope of getting refunded via community repayment.

Again you're presuming here that scams are paid back, a large proportion of scams are never paid back. I'm pretty sure the community repayment thread was locked due to the amount of scam reports coming in far outweighing what the staff received in community repayment funds.

3. Lots of returned scammers simply scam again. This is inevitable, so why not collect the % off the top?

Well I answered this in my initial post, it'll discourage people from paying back initially.

4. Over time, less and less scammers will return and leave the community.

By this I presume you mean less scammers will come back after paying their debts and re-scam? I'm not sure how you've justified this to yourself.

 

Think this would just encourage ban evading, Would still be scammers no matter what, But with the enforcement of something which could potentially cost them more than the original scam they'd just evade and start again, Think about it, A new person joins, They scam $100 and instead of evading they want to pay back the victim, But there told they gotta pay $110? or $120? there opinion is going to be, Fuck that i aint paying more than i scammed. There's arguments for both sides but i just feel that making scammers pay back more than the original scam will cause more hassle than resolution. As for the idea of giving the extra to the community repayment, there's already a thread for that which seems to work fine, Yea would be nice to get everyone paid back, But some people will never get money back regardless if scammers pay extra or not because of the size of scams.

The larger scams are from people that have donated and have some sort of reputation.
Paying a little extra % to not have to constantly use proxies, have the fear of getting found out, getting your donation rank back / SG / name / vouches / reputation / miniranks etc all back is worth it imo.

 

[CardSalesRS]

The larger scams are from people that have donated and have some sort of reputation.
Paying a little extra % to not have to constantly use proxies, have the fear of getting found out, getting your donation rank back / SG / name / vouches / reputation / miniranks etc all back is worth it imo.

That's mine and your logic yes, But not everyone has this mentality. and what do we do about the kids who have $5 donor rank or $25 or even $50 and scam $200+ and have no intention of paying anything back, Let alone extra on top, They'd rather just evade and use $50 of the $200 they scammed to donate again.

 

[Service Master]

I'm kinda new to Sythe.. but I had no idea that getting unbanned and all of your rep back is literally as easy as just paying off the money that you scammed.

That whole idea seems kinda scary in the first place to me!

In regards to this post though, I think that the % is a good idea. Anybody that is willing to scam and then pay back what they owe, would likely have no real objection to paying back an additional 10%. I don't think anybody that is willing to throw $100 to get their rep back will turn up their nose at a potential $110 fee instead. The same goes for someone willing to throw $1100 instead of $1000, $11,000 instead of $10,000 and so on.

Just my 2 cents worth. Worth remembering I am pretty new around here!

 

[CardSalesRS]

I'm kinda new to Sythe.. but I had no idea that getting unbanned and all of your rep back is literally as easy as just paying off the money that you scammed.

That whole idea seems kinda scary in the first place to me!

In regards to this post though, I think that the % is a good idea. Anybody that is willing to scam and then pay back what they owe, would likely have no real objection to paying back an additional 10%. I don't think anybody that is willing to throw $100 to get their rep back will turn up their nose at a potential $110 fee instead. The same goes for someone willing to throw $1100 instead of $1000, $11,000 instead of $10,000 and so on.

Just my 2 cents worth. Worth remembering I am pretty new around here!

New? you've been here since mid 2017 I get what you're saying, But it's not as simple as that, You have to show remorse, effort, and you can still be denied your pardon and have to wait 3 months. So even if like you say someone has to pay back $11,000 instead of 10k, They still run the chance of being denied a pardon for 3 months, So why run the risk? they'll just evade, Like most scammers on sythe do.

 

[ipker]

No support

I prefer scammers to get back int the community, and become legit and offer real services ( change they scam is always)

Then that they make 100 ban evade accs and can never het back into the community and keep scamming

 

Would support a flat fee of like 50$ on top of all victims refunded to show good will. These 10$ scammers just come back to hunt for bigger fish after find new methods

 

[CardSalesRS]

Would support a flat fee of like 50$ on top of all victims refunded to show good will. These 10$ scammers just come back to hunt for bigger fish after find new methods

When i pardoned for scamming i did offer more on top just for the grief and hassle, But one mans mentality does not represent that of everyone else. So i feel this just encourages ban evading alot more, So those new comers who scam like 3m which lets say is $3 now have to pay $53 to come back? they're never going to do that lol.

 

When i pardoned for scamming i did offer more on top just for the grief and hassle, But one mans mentality does not represent that of everyone else. So i feel this just encourages ban evading alot more, So those new comers who scam like 3m which lets say is $3 now have to pay $53 to come back? they're never going to do that lol.

If someone scammed for 3$ what makes you think they won't scam for 50$ when they get the chance? That's why i think it's needed to prove it

 

[ipker]

If someone scammed for 3$ what makes you think they won't scam for 50$ when they get the chance? That's why i think it's needed to prove it

well if someone scammed for 3$?

What makes you think they'll pay back 53$ XD

 

[CardSalesRS]

If someone scammed for 3$ what makes you think they won't scam for 50$ when they get the chance? That's why i think it's needed to prove it

If someone scams $3, Pardons after 3 months, builds rep, makes sales, then scams $50. Then sorry but thats just a retard making a bit of change, Plus the real question is, If they want $3 that bad what in the fuck makes u think they're going to pay $53 to be unbanned? not to mention the pardon process etc.

 

well if someone scammed for 3$?

What makes you think they'll pay back 53$ XD

It's not about them paying back, it's about not letting members who are more likely to scam back into community

 

[ipker]

It's not about them paying back, it's about not letting members who are more likely to scam back into community

Then they'll ban evade it aint hard and we seen some serial cases

 

Then they'll ban evade it aint hard and we seen some serial cases

i would figure its harder to scam on a vader accounts than an old one with maybe even some vouches on it