Question and rant about donation holders

[Lorenzo]

That makes zero sense. Because if you're going through paypal which is what he is talking about currently and by he I mean OP if he is charging you back he is charging you back and you're losing all of it whether you charge a fee or not is irrelevant...... and if you're doing it through RSGP he isn't giving you anything to chargeback anyway. So where is your logic mate? Because it sounds like you pulled that out of your ass. If anything if someone charges back you're losing more.

 

[Dil]

what happens if somebody charges back $300?

do you expect us to just take the loss?




Thats why we charge fees

You just became a Bond Holder noob

Paypal, meh, I agree fees is okay...but when donating with something like RSGP(Like I did), it makes no sense why you would charge me a fee for it. Obviously for the money.

 

[Tyler]

That makes zero since.

*sense

So where is your logic mate? Because it sounds like you pulled that out of your ass. If anything if someone charges back you're losing more

No everybody pays a fee because eventually we will get somebody who charges back. If we didn't charge fees then the instant somebody charges back we would be at an automatic loss. I pride myself in doing 1:1 methods with users that I trust and taking rsgp donations through gold sellers so people get current rates and me not merching them



Regardless of all that we are allowed to accept a fee for our service as stated by Matthew (for exactly this reason)
http://gyazo.com/3c5ca987449e0ac0957179054a75e89b

You just became a Bond Holder noob

And the relevance to that is?

Paypal, meh, I agree fees is okay...but when donating with something like RSGP(Like I did), it makes no sense why you would charge me a fee for it. Obviously for the money.

I do all my rsgp donations THROUGH a trusted gold buyer/seller so people get 1:1 current rates. But you cant possibly expect all of the other bond holders to do the same, RSGP is a safe payment but its not stable, the market is constantly dropping/rising and it could plummet at any time with a jagex update. Also most of the time when bond holders buy from you, then then sell to r2/arcus/divica at their rates. Which is why you get charged what you do

 

[Dil]

When I was making my post above, I was thinking if someone replies with what you just did, I'll rage...^

Well I'm raging. Your going to charge people fees when they are using a payment where they can't scam, just so when someone decides to chargeback you can use other people's hard earned cash to pay it back.

You shouldn't be able to charge people like that other than people paying via Paypal. It's like a gold seller charging a fee on every sale, so when one person scams, he/she can use that money to refund themselves.
Does that sound right?


When you want to and get committed to something, know the risks.

 

[Lorenzo]

My fault for the typo, so do you charge fees with RSGP or only Paypal?

 

[Tyler]

Your going to charge people fees when they are using a payment where they can't scam

I never said it wasn't a safe method, I said its an unstable form of currency. Missing what your argument to this is?

You shouldn't be able to charge people like that other than people paying via Paypal. It's like a gold seller charging a fee on every sale, so when one person scams, he/she can use that money to refund themselves.
Does that sound right?

Wait what? Why do you think gold resellers charge the rates they do?

When you want to and get committed to something, know the risks.

Police officers know the risk of their job but they still do the very best to protect themselves under all circumstances. I dont see how you can justify "Your a bond holder so if somebody charges you back for $300, your loss lol"
Try reading the posts on the first page from Video and others.




Regardless we are allowed to charge whatever we want for fee's, take it to Matthew if you have an issue with it.





edit:

My fault for the typo, so do you charge fees with RSGP or only Paypal?

I myself take fee's via paypal with people that I dont trust.
How I personally take RSGP payments is:

>User contacts gold reseller that has rates they agree with and that I trust
>User pays rsgp to gold reseller
>Gold reseller sends me payment via PP
>I upload donation.

 

[Lorenzo]

Well I don't dispute your method than. No problems here not that it makes a difference if there was one or not lol.

 

Then why are bond holders allowed to charge fees?

Because it's a service they are offering. If they weren't making money, who would offer a service for such thing? It's completely understandable.

 

[Lorenzo]

It's a donation how the hell is it understandable? You act like it's some difficult task.

 

This isn't a bond holder fee discussion. Stay on topic or make your own topic.

 

It's a donation how the hell is it understandable? You act like it's some difficult task.

You're being illogical. If fees were prohibited in donation services, who would offer these services? You're taking a risk. If there is no reward for that risk, it's definitely not worth doing. Ethically, if there was no risk involved, not charging fees would be ideal.

 

[Lorenzo]

You're being illogical. If fees were prohibited in donation services, who would offer these services? You're taking a risk. If there is no reward for that risk, it's definitely not worth doing. Ethically, if there was no risk involved, not charging fees would be ideal.

Sure if it is something like Paypal I guess the more I think about it fine maybe there should be a small fee. But when it comes to donating via RSGP where is there logic in collecting a fee on that you're not risking a chargeback there.

 

[Tyler]

Sure if it is something like Paypal I guess the more I think about it fine maybe there should be a small fee. But when it comes to donating via RSGP where is there logic in collecting a fee on that you're not risking a chargeback there.

because we are taking our time and effort in doing so, just like any other services; sales, skilling, questing ect.


It is less work obviously, but not alot of people are offering it

 

This isn't a bond holder fee discussion. Stay on topic or make your own topic.

It's the same topic.

Sure if it is something like Paypal I guess the more I think about it fine maybe there should be a small fee. But when it comes to donating via RSGP where is there logic in collecting a fee on that you're not risking a chargeback there.

There is always a risk. Even if it's nonrefundable, there are still risks.

1. RSGP: You risk being banned for RWT.
2. Bitcoins: You risk the currency devaluing in your posession.
3. Ikov: You risk being banned for breaking the rules of the server.

The list goes on.

 

[RSGoldstop]

The issue is Bond holders refusing to accept a 5$ donation because it's not "worth their time"

 

[Lorenzo]

I told you yesterday to pay me via your pp on his behalf. You told me you don't have time. Really it takes 1 minute or less to send a paymrnt via pp. So please don't tell me that I said it's not worth my time because I never said that.

He claims that he never said what you're claiming therefore sounds like it's just a communication error between you two.

 

[Tyler]

He claims that he never said what you're claiming therefore sounds like it's just a communication error between you two.

This.

The issue is Bond holders refusing to accept a 5$ donation because it's not "worth their time"

Also dont generalize all of us under one category because you had issues with one or two bond holders; thats just sad.

 

[Add My Msn]

Too many newcomers are vaders who make accounts to scam over and over again so the donation holders are right.

 

The issue is Bond holders refusing to accept a 5$ donation because it's not "worth their time"

Oh please, no one is refusing your just mad that you didn't get your way. I was ganna do it, but you said you had no time to pay me via pp, how do you not have time when it takes less then a minute to make a payment via pp. Also you asked wolf, he's a new bond holder and atm his donation bond isn't set up properly yet, Matthew just needs to fix it.

 

[Pain]

$5 is $5, its a free $2 for you idiots anyway.


Jesus, Matthew Needs to hire new bond holders, I BARLEY managed to donate another $25 through moes and He gave 0 fucks about whether I got to donate or not.


This is actually an issue Matthew needs to step in on and get some new bond holders tbh.