Is homophobia a bad thing?

Thats what homophobic people do. And you're justifying it by saying some LGBT folks are violent and hateful toward hetero folks

 

[Xier0]

Thats what homophobic people do. And you're justifying it by saying some LGBT folks are violent and hateful toward hetero folks

Right, that's what literal homophobic people do. However, the gay etc movement very aggressively uses the term "homobobe" against heterosexuals in a demeaning way, just like when people use "nigger" as an insult, just because they don't support their agenda. It's a one sided attack of the gay etc movement against individuals and businesses to intimidate them.

 

[SmokeHut]

You can change your sexual preference, you can't change your ethnicity.

This just shows you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Donald Duck]

This just shows you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Not saying there isn't, but can anyone actually show that a gay gene actually exists, from a credible source, with proof?

 

This just shows you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

http://www.yoursexualorientation.info/Sexual_Orientation_Myths.php

The ignorance is unreal in here. I will start replying to old comments tomorrow when I'm not on my phone.

 

[SmokeHut]

http://www.yoursexualorientation.in...tation.info/Sexual_Orientation_Myths.php#2702

The ignorance is unreal in here. I will start replying to old comments tomorrow when I'm not on my phone.

Link doesn't work.

Not saying there isn't, but can anyone actually show that a gay gene actually exists, from a credible source, with proof?

Well I cannot. However, a person who comes to realize they're attracted to the same sex as opposed to the opposite sex is not a matter of chance, nor is it a choice that is made. Choosing to act upon their instincts is a choice.
If it cannot be disproved/proved doesn't give the authority to assume choice.

If you are a heterosexual is it possible for you to get aroused by thinking of the same sex? Would you get the same reaction being faced with a naked attractive female as you would a naked attractive male?

I imagine that it's not possible for me to do that as a matter of choice. And looking at it from a homosexual point of view, it's literally the same.

If you really believe it's a choice, perhaps you should try your opposite and see if you'd like to continue that way in future.

The amount of homosexual teenagers that commit suicide in fear of acceptance is beyond devastating. I'm sure if they could make a conscious decision to choose to swap their natural instincts that they would make that decision rather than to end their life.

And it's the opposing view that believe they have a choice and should choose alternatively that provides the evil in society, as well as providing ignorant theists with probable arguments when others believe this idiocy as well.

 

Homophobia is a bad thing yes,

however, how would you definie homophobia? Do you think thinking 2 guys kising is disgusting is classified as homophobia? Because if so, I guess im a bad person lol

 

I still can't understand how someone can be afraid of someone else who is gay. Maybe I'm the one in the wrong for not accepting this supposed fear, but most of the homophobes I've personally spoken to seem more angry and disgusted than afraid. You probably talk to more gay people than you think, but if you're a homophobe, you wouldn't know that unless they're open about it.

Then there's the flamboyant guys that may seem gay but aren't, being a common misconception. Are homophobes afraid of them too even though they aren't gay, but seem gay? Then that would mean they aren't afraid of gay people, it would make them afraid of gay people AND people who appear to be gay, which is entirely silly if you ask me.

Opinions are alright, but it doesn't make you any less of a bigot if you're saying something racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

People who hold negative views on others without a decent reason bother me, so I personally think being homophobic is a load of crap. Someone else being gay doesn't directly affect you, let alone offend you. So I definitely see a problem with homophobia. People are so cruel for absolutely no reason. But there will always be a battle over some group of people.

Fear can derive from anger or hatred. It's not necessarily the fear of someone, rather the label that is associated with that person. Wouldn't you say we're all bigoted? We all find ideas that we don't find acceptable or tolerant. Murderers/Whistle blowers/Thieves/Liars don't directly affect me, but we still find them offensive. Why is that? Oh, because we're bigots and follow a moral code that says we should. You reiterate the word I as if your opinion holds any more weight than the ones opposing you.

I don't think you know what you're debating anymore. Your poorly thought out responses have bounced everywhere imaginable. Are you trying to discuss whether homophobia is a bad thing, or show us your skills with using a dictionary?

Stop posting on this thread.

I don't know why you keep pulling society into the equation. Reason does not inherently drive people in a society -- it drives people, and these people participate in society. Society is not related to reason in a directly causal way.

I also think you are fundamentally misunderstanding what you are even saying. You are speaking without boundary or restraint and your thoughts are riddled with contradiction. There are two ways of approaching this "issue". Either, morality or any form of "human construct" (that is, the category whose science depends on the substance of our reasoning not on observable data) is impossible (because it doesn't rest on anything concrete) and then we are quite lost in navigating the world as human beings; or, there is a truth in the reasoning power available to us (i.e. I can assuredly say that it is truly wrong to kill another person) and then the world becomes comprehensible and possible to be traversed through reason. If you hold the first view, there is little anyone can say about anything.

Your whole "beliefs are not controlled and an attempt to change someone else's in favour of my own is a mere unjustified imposition (a construct of society)" idea is utterly incongruous. I have debunked it earlier in this thread, but if I were to reformat my attack in a perhaps more compelling manner I would say: It is impossible to hold a contradictory belief. One cannot believe in God and simultaneously deny God. Thus, beliefs are subject to the law of contradiction. The law of contradiction is a system of logic and logic is apprehended through reason. Thus, beliefs are apprehended through reason. Regardless the extent of this apprehension, the fact that it exists at all -- again -- tears down your point.

Appropriately then, when I claim that a person's belief concerning homophobia is unfounded I am appealing to the laws of logic. In the same way that one cannot hold a contradictory opinion, I assert that the homophobic opinion is at odds with the premises of reason by failing to sufficiently understand human nature. Thus, this belief is wrong.

The fact that you associate this kind of logical process with the workings of society testifies only to the intellectual maturity of the 21st century, where we are privy to an unprecedented level of logic entrenched in our societal customs -- but this CANNOT be confused for the source.

Because society is the epitome of suppression. If your views are not one that is identical to that of the majority, you're ridiculed for it. Anyone you're associated with also takes heat for supporting you, causing unnecessary collateral damage. I was thorough in my delivery, and it hasn't changed. This whole debate revolves around if homophobia is a "bad thing", I mean it's in the title for heavens sake. Is the aversion of homosexuality inferior? The only way to determine that is to look at the social construct of a society, and it's moral code. There is no universal code that oppresses views of the minority. I've already explained why sexuality and ethnicity are not, and should not be looked at congruently in terms of importance. Your sexuality doesn't define you, your ethnicity does. Like I said before, your sexual orientation can change, your ethnicity cannot. When identifying a person, is their sexual orientation ever mentioned?

This just shows you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

http://www.yoursexualorientation.info/Sexual_Orientation_Myths.php

Myth #6: A person’s sexual orientation is unchanging throughout their lifetime.

You would be ignorant to ignore human curiosity. It's all about arousal and stimulating pleasure. Humans being one of the few mammals that have sex just for the pleasure suggests that gender should not matter as long as you're being pleasured.

 

[zorro_]

Fear can derive from anger or hatred. It's not necessarily the fear of someone, rather the label that is associated with that person. Wouldn't you say we're all bigoted? We all find ideas that we don't find acceptable or tolerant. Murderers/Whistle blowers/Thieves/Liars don't directly affect me, but we still find them offensive. Why is that? Oh, because we're bigots and follow a moral code that says we should. You reiterate the word I as if your opinion holds any more weight than the ones opposing you.



Stop posting on this thread.



Because society is the epitome of suppression. If your views are not one that is identical to that of the majority, you're ridiculed for it. Anyone you're associated with also takes heat for supporting you, causing unnecessary collateral damage. I was thorough in my delivery, and it hasn't changed. This whole debate revolves around if homophobia is a "bad thing", I mean it's in the title for heavens sake. Is the aversion of homosexuality inferior? The only way to determine that is to look at the social construct of a society, and it's moral code. There is no universal code that oppresses views of the minority. I've already explained why sexuality and ethnicity are not, and should not be looked at congruently in terms of importance. Your sexuality doesn't define you, your ethnicity does. Like I said before, your sexual orientation can change, your ethnicity cannot. When identifying a person, is their sexual orientation ever mentioned?



http://www.yoursexualorientation.info/Sexual_Orientation_Myths.php

Myth #6: A person’s sexual orientation is unchanging throughout their lifetime.

You would be ignorant to ignore human curiosity. It's all about arousal and stimulating pleasure. Humans being one of the few mammals that have sex just for the pleasure suggests that gender should not matter as long as you're being pleasured.

You can't make general claims like "if your views are not identical to the majority you're ridiculed for it". We have free speech which speaks adamantly to the contrary. Sure, sometimes the views of the minority are quashed, but that cannot be turned into some kind of rule.
Also, as I identified earlier in the thread and as is implicit in my last post, irrational homophobia is neither right nor wrong, while rational homophobia (a rational hatred of homosexuals) is wrong -- and for reasons unrelated to society.

 

[SmokeHut]

Myth #6: A person’s sexual orientation is unchanging throughout their lifetime.

You would be ignorant to ignore human curiosity. It's all about arousal and stimulating pleasure. Humans being one of the few mammals that have sex just for the pleasure suggests that gender should not matter as long as you're being pleasured.

So you've cited something that doesn't back up your point at all? You're saying you can change your sexual preference consciously. Where'as what you've stated there does not claim that what so ever..?

I never said you are born gay, stay gay and never change. I'm saying you cannot force yourself to be aroused/attracted to what you are not.


Also, you probably should read myth #7.

Myth #7: A person can change their sexual orientation from gay to straight if they really want to.

Because the mix of emotional and physical attractions toward males and females can change over time for some people, anti-gay advocates have seized upon this phenomenon as “proof” that a gay person can become straight through certain interventions, usually a combination of prayer and “reparative therapy.”

To be sure, a person can change their sexual behavior, regardless of their physical attractions. They can choose to be celibate or engage in sexual behavior only with people of the other sex. And sometimes a gay person becomes emotionally attached to someone of the other sex, loves them, and marries them, perhaps happily. For such individuals, physical attractions to persons of the same sex persist, however. But a person cannot change from having exclusive attractions to people of the same sex to having exclusive attractions to people of the other sex.

 

[Sun]

Fear can derive from anger or hatred. It's not necessarily the fear of someone, rather the label that is associated with that person. Wouldn't you say we're all bigoted? We all find ideas that we don't find acceptable or tolerant. Murderers/Whistle blowers/Thieves/Liars don't directly affect me, but we still find them offensive. Why is that? Oh, because we're bigots and follow a moral code that says we should. You reiterate the word I as if your opinion holds any more weight than the ones opposing you.

Murderers, thieves, liars, etc. have a choice whereas gay people don't. And it is not my intention for it to seem like I'm trying to make my opinion weigh more.

 

[Itsmarymkai]

Because discriminators should be silenced.

If you do not support it, then you don't have an accepted opinion on it. If you don't care, then you don't have an opinion.

It's very weird that in 2014 we are still unable to accept people for who they are. And the fact that people have to make a movement to be accepted is bad enough in it'self.

Couldn't agree more, I understand that some individuals may feel strongly about it but I wouldn't accept it being harshly demonstrated. Just like for racism and such.

I think everyone has the right to be happy, whatever their definition of happy is.

 

[Anish]

What is homophobia? It's the fear, aversion, or distaste of homosexuality/homosexuals.

Now there isn't anything necessarily wrong with phobias, unless it's against the ideals of progressives, or radical left wingers.

In many instances, if you're a celebrity, or a well known person, the loathing of homosexuality can very well destroy your reputation/career. Everything you've done, accomplished, and sought for is disregarded and overlapped with the societal expectations set for everyone.

What exactly makes this phobia worse than any other in terms of immoral backlash?

Instead of doctrine being shoved down throats, it's societal expectations!

I am not homophobic. I don't think it's a bad thing either. Some people are even afraid of their body parts like their hand and get it chopped off. It's a fear like the rest of the phobias. Now hating humans because of their sexuality is a different story.

 

[Kun]

In my opinion yes it is a bad thing, however some homosexuals can attract a lot of attention in the way there are which leads to the abuse.

 

[Liams Gold Mart]

I don't think disliking the act of same sex relationships is bad. However I feel it's bad to discriminate and make somebody homosexual feel bad.

 

[Anavar]

I read an interesting article suggesting that homophobia is a completely mental cause.

Whilst we know a lot about the human anatomy, there are things related with the brain which we have not yet fully discovered.

 

[Krillex]

I haven't really thoroughly read through the whole discussion thread, but I think the term homophobe gets thrown around too easily these days. I, for one, do not completely understand homosexuality, so there are cases where I am uncomfortable in the presence of gays or lesbians. However, I wouldn't describe myself as outright fearful of them.

to summarize - homophobia is bad, but people tend to stretch that definition to fit whoever they want into that grouping.

 

[jed1]

it's okay to be afraid; just don't act rashly and reckless by discriminating

 

[Scottie]

honestly, if you're gay or lesbian who cares, the uneducated will hate on others for living there lifes homoqhobia shows ingnorance about the world around you

 

[Trout]

I think we're at a point in the world that people need to accept everyone for who they are, someone being gay or a lesbian has ZERO effect on your day to day life. We all like different things and we all express our loves and hates differently.

We've come a long way since the early 1900's and I hope we can continue to accept everyone.