BBC World Trade Center 7 Video

[Phaethon]

Well said miklman. Some people just like to argue, for the sake of arguing.

 

[miklman]

Well said miklman. Some people just like to argue, for the sake of arguing.

Well no, you can't assume that about all of them. Some of the evidence is pretty damn convincing, and even some is unexplainable. Therefore, there are plenty who may truly believe that it IS in fact a cover up. But what I'm trying to say is there is no use fighting them, they have made their judgment, and if they want to post videos that will help persuade us to join their side, let them. Who knows, maybe you will end up on the other side some day?

But then again, they shouldn't bitch when we provide explanations for their evidence. x.X

 

[Phaethon]

Who knows, maybe you will end up on the other side some day?

I SINCERELY doubt that

 

[miklman]

I SINCERELY doubt that

Lol, okay, a wee bit too over dramatic, eh?

 

[Daily]

They removed it.

 

[coach thorpe]

But I just blogged this because I found it interesting *points to sig*

 

[ixos69]

Phaethon your ignorance blinds you. That is clearly the WTC7 in the background. Also why would google start deleting it from their site for no reason? You sit there and refuse to believe the facts. The were never any weapons of mass destruction. The real reason for the Iraq invasion was that Saddam threatened to stop sales of oil to America if they didn't piss off. You obviously sit and let censored media control you. How would they have smuggled knives through metal detectors? It clearly would have gone off. The Military WAS TOLD NOT TO INTERCEPT THE PLANES FLYING OFF COURSE. Why would the Government tell them to not follow standard protocol for planes like that? I would certainly like to know.

They were box cutters, not knives, and yes it makes a big difference. I'll assume the military didn't respond to the hijacking quickly enough, and didn't have time to prepare an attack, and WOULDN'T HAVE anyways. Are you forgetting that the only information they had was that the plane was off course headed to NYC, try telling a pilot to shoot down a passenger plane and killing a few hundred innocents, then try explaining it to the public.

 

[Ethan1]

Paetheon, what I described was not a communism. The corporations are all run by the Venezuelan people not the government. They have a free trade economy run without heavy outside influence.

 

[Hostile Account Seller]

When did this happen? Today????

 

[jewzi]

I just saw Sythe make an announcement about this.

The site he links to says that Google has removed said videos.

However, they missed one.

Please watch it while you still can, before they remove it too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5562768350715682242&q=bbc+building+7

"Revealing, shocking video shows reporter talking about WTC7's collapse with WTC 7 still standing in background, Google removes clip."

EDIT: For some *strange* reason, BBC loses the live feed with the reported a few minutes before it REALLY collapses.

EDIT Numbah Two: If you want to see it clearly, watch this video and fast forward to 14 minutes: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096

its called "stock" footage they didnt have a live feed.

 

[Repentless]

its called "stock" footage they didnt have a live feed.

Yes, actually, they did. That was footage of the BBC's correspondent in New York.

 

[chrissmarlow]

did no one see the bbc programe the other week explaining alot of the 9/11 conspiracy theories? Im prety sure in that they said that the reason the building was reported to have fallen down before it had was due to a misunderstanding where reporters were told it was in danger of falling down as it had been badly damaged...

Also all you people that keep saying....you just listen to the mainstream media etc......well you just listen to the underground media which has been proven to release stuff that they know is b/s just to make themselves a name, even that loose change video on 9/11 was 95% bull shit and quotes taken out of context.

I personaly do believe most of what the American government have said, obviously there are shady parts which they have exploited, but you show me a country in the world that doesnt exploit catastrophe...or atleast try

 

Oh God. Get off of it.

Why do people have to say "conspiracy" after every tragedy.

All you are doing is shaming those who lost their lives as either a direct result of this, or through war.

Stop it dammit! What good does speculating about this do? People are dieing, you have NO RIGHT to bitch about this. I will listen to this shit once you go to war and risk your life over your little "conspiracy".

I don't care what you people think, out of respect for others JUST STOP IT!

Please refer to this, brainwashed citizen of the new world order:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633

As you can see, the top 9/11 family groups agree that 9/11 was an inside job and want an independent investigation. So now we beg the question: Who are YOU to discredit real evidence because you believe the propaganda. Who are YOU to tell us what the 9/11 family groups think. You are nobody, so go back to your 'the government will protect us' security blanket and snuggle under it good and tight. Your government is going to protect you from those who want to take away you freedoms, by taking away your freedoms. And when you come to realize how little sense this makes it will probably be too late.

You want evidence. How about the laws of physics you dope.

Second law of thermodynamics:
“when energy is transformed, it becomes less useful; every process increases the disorder of the universe; no process is 100% efficient”

So here we have a gravity based ‘pancake’ collapse. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to even considerably weaken steel, let alone melt it. And yet we find massive pools of molten steel under both towers, weeks after the attacks. How can this be? The official story doesn’t explain it. And the official story violates the laws of physics through it.

There is absolutely no way that this could be there if the official story were true. To obtain molten steel from 4 inch thick support columns you need a very, very rapid chemical reaction which produces immense heat. Such as an explosive device. This is because the steel member will tend to radiate the heat up and down the column, and into other columns, and into the concrete around the foundations faster than the fire can heat it up in one spot. Much like trying to fill a bucket with a hole in it.

Lets look at another law of physics violated.

Newton’s first law of inertia:
“Every body continues in its state of rest, or of motion in a straight line at constant speed, unless it is compelled to change that state by a net Force exerted upon it. Also known as Newton's first law.”

With a pancake collapse each floor would encounter massive resistance when it hit the next floor. Not only would it take much longer than 10 seconds to collapse if the official story were true, but the collapse would also stop half way down. Think about it, every floor has to support every floor above it for the tower to remain standing. So each floor that collapses would encounter more resistance than the last floor, which means the collapse would decelerate, not accelerate. This clearly indicates that the official explanation cannot be true.

Finally lets look at the actual idea of wrapping trusses. I’m sure you are all familiar with this ludicrous concept that the steel members holding the floors up bent and hence made the building fall down. What the mainstream media fail to explain is that the unique feature of the towers were their load bearing, fly-mesh-like, walls. Each tower was more or less a hollow tube capable of supporting itself, then they put the 47 steel columns in the center and build each floor connecting from the center to the outer wall like partitions in a pipe containing a smaller pipe.

This is quite important because the walls were designed to hold almost all the buildings weight, if necessary, and held 40% by default. The buildings were built to withstand plane crashes, and were nearly 200% as strong as they needed to be.

Back to the trusses; these steel members connecting the outer walls to the inner columns were not only welded but also bolted at both ends. So for the trusses to have warped and bent both the inner columns and the outer wall would have had to have bent inward. Which is incredibly impossible, considering the way the walls were constructed and the incredible thickness of the 47 steel columns.

Finally I’ll point out one last overlooked aspect of the towers construction. Each tower was actually three sky scrapers stacked on top of one another with a huge massive story thick slab of concrete in-between. Even if the pancake collapse were true then the collapse would have stopped when it progressed to the bottom of the topmost skyscraper.

Most of this information comes from a 1960’s documentary on the construction of the world trade centers. Feel free to watch this here: http://video.google.com.au/url?doci...center&usg=AL29H22ogy1qY6LVTm0VSzCy6f6GLmaCJA

 

I just think, as far as conspiracy theories go, this one has one major flaw, and that is incentive. I understand the Bush government was very focused on getting into Iraq, and 9/11 certainly did inspire the fear into citizens that helped facilitate the invasion. However, to destroy two American landmarks, along with the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans seems to be FAR too extreme for this to be plausible.

You are saying the United States pulled off this conspiracy to ensure its continued flow of oil from Middle-Eastern companies. At the same time, however, you're saying the Americans were happy to crash their economy (which occured as a result of 9/11) to gain access to this oil. It just doesn't add up in my books, 9/11 was not needed to initiate an invasion of Iraq, all that was needed was false documentation, which was certainly provided. All in all, I'd say you could turn any large event into a conspiracy theory, if you selectively choose the evidence to present.

One thing I have a problem with in this Physics argument is that when towers collapse in a pancake fashion, there is increasing stress on each floor, because the weight of the floors above it goes up with each floor that collapses. This was not mentioned anywhere in your theory.

 

[Repentless]

I just think, as far as conspiracy theories go, this one has one major flaw, and that is incentive. I understand the Bush government was very focused on getting into Iraq, and 9/11 certainly did inspire the fear into citizens that helped facilitate the invasion. However, to destroy two American landmarks, along with the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans seems to be FAR too extreme for this to be plausible.

You are saying the United States pulled off this conspiracy to ensure its continued flow of oil from Middle-Eastern companies. At the same time, however, you're saying the Americans were happy to crash their economy (which occured as a result of 9/11) to gain access to this oil. It just doesn't add up in my books, 9/11 was not needed to initiate an invasion of Iraq, all that was needed was false documentation, which was certainly provided. All in all, I'd say you could turn any large event into a conspiracy theory, if you selectively choose the evidence to present.

One thing I have a problem with in this Physics argument is that when towers collapse in a pancake fashion, there is increasing stress on each floor, because the weight of the floors above it goes up with each floor that collapses. This was not mentioned anywhere in your theory.

"False documentation" alone was not enough evidence to make the American public go to war with another country. In fact, NO documentation or evidence was provided about Iraq having Weapons of Mass Destruction. In fact, previous weapons inspections had proved that wrong.

What it DID take to have us go to war was an enraged American public, and the 9/11 "attacks" provided just that. Bush was spinning the story to make it look that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks. However, NONE of the supposed hijackers came from Iraq.

 

The invasion of iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. 9/11 was to pass the patriot act and invade afghanistan. This is documented the the governments own declassified documents. And attacks like this have been planned since the 60's.

Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/R...ch="Pearl Harbor site:newamericancentury.org"

Also google operation northwoods.

 

[.Nitrogen]

Wow, this is very interesting, I am going to have to look into this, thanks!
Sythe, I don't understand how BBC would have known that this was going to happen before it really did. I understand all the points you made before, and they are valid. I don't get how BBC would know.

 

[TiggerZ]

9/11 is over and done with.

The war is in full effect and Bush is almost out of office.

Saying this is an inside job is pointless. Why would our own government do this to go to war? For oil? Are you retarded?

http://debunking911.com/
read that WHOLE WEBSITE
fucking retards

if this really was the case, and the conspiracy was all truth, then you'd have the government deleting EVERY SINGLE thing about this kind of crap.
do you understand?

 

[Cruel__Machine]

*Yawn*

No. Just.... no.
This video proves nothing except that those reporters are complete idiots. They zoomed in on the standing building and talked about its collapse. ROFL, gg BBC.

EDIT: btw, you're ugly.

 

I don't think you guys understand the implication. They said it had collapsed early because they were reading a script. They read the script early.

You cannot predict an accident like that hence it must have been controlled demolition. Controlled demolition takes months to setup for such a large building. Hence the planning goes back months. The building was high security hence the government is implicated in the attacks.

No your government didn't do it. Criminal elements of your government did it. It links right back to JFK; for decades your country has been controlled by criminals. And your stupid denialism is the main problem. You cloud your judgment with their propaganda so much that you lose the ability to critically think.

As for retarded. I think the idea some Muslims in a cave could have hijacked 4 planes and attacked the world trade centers and the pentagon is retarded. The pentagon is the most heavily protected building in the world. And the US military’s excuse for letting the plane hit it is “oh the plane had its transponder off, so we couldn’t see it on our radar.” Well lets just kindly ask china to put transponders on their ICBM’s shall we? That way the US military can see them and shoot them down.

Or maybe it’s a complete farce and they let the missile (not plane) hit the pentagon. Maybe the mobile phone calls are bullshit because cell phone signals have less than a 0.01% chance of reaching the ground from standard cruising altitude. Maybe the OFFICAL NIST investigation never managed to produce a simulation to back up the official story of a pancake collapse in 10 seconds. Maybe no one has managed to explain the molten steel under the towers.