Are Guns Okay?

[IRL Seller]

OT:

What are your views on guns?

Should people be allowed to own them? To what extend?

Where does personal defense cross into zombie preparation/hoarding?

 

[2007scape]

Guns just cause violence in the community. They shouldn't be allowed, tbh.

People should be allowed to own them for self defense reasons only. Zombie outbreak will never happen, stop dreaming...

 

[Hubba Bubba]

Guns just cause violence in the community. They shouldn't be allowed, tbh.

People should be allowed to own them for self defense reasons only. Zombie outbreak will never happen, stop dreaming...

How exactly do guns cause violence in a communinty ?

 

[woodcut ox]

How exactly do guns cause violence in a communinty ?

Exactly what i'm thinking.

A gun aint gunna shoot itself..... people kill people.

And before people start arguing the "makes it easier" case its pretty easy to make a bomb which is usually a lot more devastating.

 

[astrodomez]

Guns just cause violence in the community. They shouldn't be allowed, tbh.

People should be allowed to own them for self defense reasons only. Zombie outbreak will never happen, stop dreaming...

How????
Must be one screwed up community.

And I support guns. I own a .22 Rifle, Mosin Nagat and when I turn 21, I want to get a 9MM.

 

[2007scape]

How exactly do guns cause violence in a communinty ?

It gives us a means of killing. What is the most used weapon in a robbery? Certainly not a knife, and most certainly not a fist. How about murder? Drug related killings? Gang wars? Guns are a cause of violence because of how easy it is to get hold of them (depending on which state). Had they not been invented, don't you think it would be a more peaceful community?

 

[Hubba Bubba]

It gives us a means of killing. What is the most used weapon in a robbery? Certainly not a knife, and most certainly not a fist. How about murder? Drug related killings? Gang wars? Guns are a cause of violence because of how easy it is to get hold of them (depending on which state). Had they not been invented, don't you think it would be a more peaceful community?

I wouldnt say it would be more peaceful but there would certainly be less killled peoplle. It is still not the guns fault that people try the murser pulls the tigger. So a better solution for a save and peaceful community would imo be to be so social that no1 has reason to murder etc bcause if someone really wants to kill someone he is able to do that even without a weapon same with robberys. But your way to argue is like saying guns kill people so murder shouldnt get in jail because they wouldnt have murdered if guns werent founded. Also aslong as the police is allowed to carry weapons with them why shouldnt we ?

 

[TJOC]

Hey I have an idea, lets make them illegal. That surely will stop all people that break laws stop using them and make them disappear right? Of course not. There will still be guns and still be bad people using them.

Ban guns, the only people it will stop are the honest people. The people that have guns for actual reasons, like self defense. Gun control is the most ignorant argument I've ever heard of.

 

[IRL Seller]

Hey I have an idea, lets make them illegal. That surely will stop all people that break laws stop using them and make them disappear right? Of course not. There will still be guns and still be bad people using them.

Ban guns, the only people it will stop are the honest people. The people that have guns for actual reasons, like self defense. Gun control is the most ignorant argument I've ever heard of.

This is one of my main points.


Let's get criminals to suddenly follow the law! By banning guns, they will totally turn in all their illegal guns

 

[Amoxil]

There should be no logical response why us citizens should not be able to possess a firearm. Most, if not all people use a firearm for self defense, or hunting. Why breach our second amendment right just because a couple of wack jobs misuse firearms?

I feel stricter policies should be enforced on how to obtain a firearm (Mandatory safety course, Psych. evaluation (if deemed necessary), necessary wait period/paperwork, etc), but just to abolish them and make them illegal will only shoot crime up even more.

And to those people saying 'guns are bad', 'guns kill people', etc... It's not the gun, it's the person behind the trigger. If you left a loaded gun on a table, unless there was interaction involved from a third party, that gun would never go off. Guns don't have a mind of their own.

 

[Lean]

Guns just cause violence in the community. They shouldn't be allowed, tbh.

People should be allowed to own them for self defense reasons only. Zombie outbreak will never happen, stop dreaming...

Gun's don't cause violence. If violent people want to go crazy and kill people, they'll find ways to do it with or without guns. If it was just guns that caused violence then there wouldn't be cases of people going on killing sprees with knifes and cutting peoples faces off.

 

[SmokeHut]

I support that civilians should be allowed to have fire-arms in their homes so long as that person has a license. To get that license they must of been cited for a process that involves their past, present and mental state. If that person is to pass the criteria then they should be allowed fire-arms up to a limit of semi-automatic.

My theory for this is purely based on my own paranoia. I myself would hate to find myself in a situation where perpetrators enter my home armed with knives/guns and I find myself totally overpowered, find myself unable to make a move whilst they take everything I own as well as do what they please with my girlfriend. I hate the feeling that I could be that restricted to not have a single card to play. I did used to own samurai swords but even then, that's not that useful against a handgun from a distance.

I would like to find myself in that situation where I could defend my property and family fighting fire with fire. And even some cases, having the upper hand.

I do also believe that civilians carrying the weapons on the street is not a big deal. I suspect that more good people would make it through the tests than blood thirsty murderous people. So therefore, if something was to go down, such as a massacre.. I'd rather have people there that could prevent it from tolling more death counts than the maniac to have full control until armed response arrive.

Take the recent beheading on the streets of London, if you had armed civilians there, the chance of the soldier in my opinion perhaps surviving would of been far greater. Instead, the majority will stand around with camera phones.

 

[LoLSmurfin]

One of the first things taught in most of the gun courses I've taken is, "Guns are a tool." Guns aren't magical death machines that go on rampages and murder people; they're simply powerful tools with no minds of their own.

I'll reiterate the two main anti-gun control points I've seen (and I agree with) on this thread.

1. Guns don't kill people.

People kill people. Like I said above, guns are simply a tool that some people choose to use for criminal purposes. They can also be honest citizens' self-defense threat toward a criminal or a family's supplemental food provider or whatever else have you.

2. Laws don't stop criminals.

Crime from a legal standpoint is the act of doing something illegal. By definition, a criminal does illegal things. So banning guns will only take them out of the hands of honest, law-abiding citizens. Gang wars will still happen. Mass murders will still happen. Robberies will still happen. Guns will simply shift from being exchanged on a normal market to being exchanged on a black market. The only gun-related deaths gun control laws would prevent would be accidental ones, which is a minor percentage of overall gun violence. Taking away millions of people's freedoms and self-defense mechanisms would put many more people at risk.

 

[S]

Humans are terrible illogical beings at best. History has shown that we are incapbale of making sane decisions, regardless of the situation. Fun fact, in the thousands of years the world has been around and has been inhabbited by human beings, there has only been 200 years of total peace.

Guns are a menace, and should be accessible only to law enforcement establishments.

 

[Uncle Sam Enterprises]

I believe we should be allowed to bear arms.
So long the government takes the necessary steps to prevent them from falling into the wrong hands.

 

[IRL Seller]

Humans are terrible illogical beings at best. History has shown that we are incapbale of making sane decisions, regardless of the situation. Fun fact, in the thousands of years the world has been around and has been inhabbited by human beings, there has only been 200 years of total peace.

Guns are a menace, and should be accessible only to law enforcement establishments.

What about all the guns being trucked/shipping in to criminals?

how are civilians to defend themselves?

DO NOT say "Law enforcement will come and protect you blah blah blah"

I will use my homestate as an example.

In NH there are < 3,000 Police Officers. The average response time to a 9-1-1 call in my town is 11 minutes.

In those 11 minutes, let's say someone has broken into your house, at night, without your consent, with the intent to commit a felony therein (textbook definition of Burglary), however you are present and they plan to steal directly from you to (Robbery -Larceny from A PERSON by FORCE or FEAR). They are equipped with an illegally obtained Bushmaster AR-15 (about $3,000 from pictures I have seen of the former SilkRoad). You dial 9-1-1 from your cell phone and hide in your room. In those 11 minutes, I find it EXTREMELY POSSIBLE that the intruder could find you in your room and see that you have dialed 9-1-1 and they have asked you to stay on the line while they transfer you to LOCAL PD. Do you think they are going to be all happy-go-lucky and give you a back massage for calling 9-1-1 on them? No! They will probably either a) take you as a hostage or b) shoot you and grab what they can before fleeing.

Most LEOs in my city are 100% for the LAWFUL obtainment and use of firearms by civilians. I was able to get my conceal and carry permit within 3 days of applying. (I needed to provide all my information including SSN, License, Passport, and references).

Your statement is foolhardy and invalid.


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EDIT:
"Cities with less than 10,000 residents reported an average of 3.5 officers per 1,000 inhabitants, the largest officer to individual rate among city population groups."
Sooooo if you live in a city with 25,000 people, you have LESS THAN 3.5 officers/1,000 people in your city [on average].

Please tell me how 1.11111666 (3 Shifts/day) people can actively protect 1,000 in the middle of the night. They work damn hard to do so, but seems pretty illogical.

Source: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/police/


THE MAX I see is an average of 3.9/1,000 People and that is only if you live in the South Atlantic. This has an overall max in the South Atlantic Row of 7.6, which when you do the math, is an outlier.

Source: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_70.html


EDIT: Guns aren't bad, people are bad.

 

[zgangz]

One of the first things taught in most of the gun courses I've taken is, "Guns are a tool." Guns aren't magical death machines that go on rampages and murder people; they're simply powerful tools with no minds of their own.

I'll reiterate the two main anti-gun control points I've seen (and I agree with) on this thread.

1. Guns don't kill people.

People kill people. Like I said above, guns are simply a tool that some people choose to use for criminal purposes. They can also be honest citizens' self-defense threat toward a criminal or a family's supplemental food provider or whatever else have you.

2. Laws don't stop criminals.

Crime from a legal standpoint is the act of doing something illegal. By definition, a criminal does illegal things. So banning guns will only take them out of the hands of honest, law-abiding citizens. Gang wars will still happen. Mass murders will still happen. Robberies will still happen. Guns will simply shift from being exchanged on a normal market to being exchanged on a black market. The only gun-related deaths gun control laws would prevent would be accidental ones, which is a minor percentage of overall gun violence. Taking away millions of people's freedoms and self-defense mechanisms would put many more people at risk.

Laws doesen't stop all criminals but it still stops a lot. Australia has a ban on guns and theres a lot lower gun related crime.

 

[Logic]

Humans are terrible illogical beings at best. History has shown that we are incapbale of making sane decisions, regardless of the situation. Fun fact, in the thousands of years the world has been around and has been inhabbited by human beings, there has only been 200 years of total peace.

Guns are a menace, and should be accessible only to law enforcement establishments.

I also got a fun fact for you. You are more likely to get shot by the police than a normal citizen in the US. So much for your law enforcement theory and I'm not even going to start with Nazi Germany or any other dictatoriship countries. If only law enforcement establishments would have arms then you would have a bad time

People have always killed eachother, doesn't matter if they use swords, bows or guns. The problem here are the people not guns.

Laws doesen't stop all criminals but it still stops a lot. Australia has a ban on guns and theres a lot lower gun related crime.

But lets talk about the 40% rise in home invasions in Australia also? Didn't think so.

 

[joj0r]

I also got a fun fact for you. You are more likely to get shot by the police than a normal citizen in the US. So much for your law enforcement theory and I'm not even going to start with Nazi Germany or any other dictatoriship countries. If only law enforcement establishments would have arms then you would have a bad time

People have always killed eachother, doesn't matter if they use swords, bows or guns. The problem here are the people not guns.



But lets talk about the 40% rise in home invasions in Australia also? Didn't think so.

nazi germany? do you still think it is like that? do you still think we have a dictatirship??? germany is a democracy country

 

[IRL Seller]

nazi germany? do you still think it is like that? do you still think we have a dictatirship??? germany is a democracy country

I think he means ANY tyrannical government at all. I do not believe it was directed at you or your country.