Reagrding the guy who shot up the theater some months back

[FloydZeppelin]

This guy:

A lot of people generally have a universal opinion that this dude is just a nutzo who went awol and slaughtered a bunch of innocent people in a theater. Now I know there are crazies out there, believe me, but I remember when I heard this break on the news, and even when I began following, some things really seemed to not add up. So then I dug deeper and I found some things that you guys might find interesting.

Now, I'm not a conspiracy theorist by all means, but I am a realist and while I don't believe "James holmes iz an innocent man!!!11", I do believe there is more to this story than what is getting fed to us (Omg you mean they lie to us??!)

First off, who let him in to the emergency exit? It's locked from the outside which means someone had to let him in. NUMEROUS witnesses have claimed they saw a man walk to the door taking a call on a phone. They said he seemed to be waving someone on, propped the door open, walked out and then in came the bullets. Who was this man? It clearly wasn't James Holmes (the bright fire dyed hair would be a dead giveaway at the ticket booth, much less in the theater where people saw the guy at the emergency exit).

Where is the footage? There's no way you can convince me that there aren't active cameras on every corner of that theater. Why hasn't this been investigated, and if so why is he still being labeled as the alleged/suspected shooter?

Why was James Holmes found in his car upon arrest in a drug induced state? Sure, I'm not saying you can't pop some Vicodin before going on a shooting spree,but it seems unlikely that he could pull off that sort of tactical murder rampage in the state he was found in.

People reported gas canisters coming from multiple directions before the shooting started. Who threw all of these and why were they coming from multiple directions?

Why was there another gas mask found at the edge of the cinema? Who's was this?

Why would a man who just killed 12 people and injured dozens upon dozens upon dozens more warn police that his apartment was booby-trapped?

Where was he sleeping if his apartment has been rigged like that for months?

Why would such a bright kid with a prosperous future just suddenly snap? What led to this? Who taught him to make elaborate explosive equipment that took 3 days to disarm? How'd he buy all of this stuff on unemployed college financial aid? Why wasn't it red-flagged?

Just some things to discuss and think about.

Edit: I'd also like to say that a lot isn't adding up about the Sandy Hook tragedy either, lots and lots of inconsistencies. Of course, I'm going to let a little more time lapse before deeply analyzing it but I'm telling you guys something is going down in 'Merica.

 

[BootyLove]

There's always so many sides to a story, it's ultimately up to you to choose what you believe.

 

[Austintheman]

Why would a man who just killed 12 people and injured dozens upon dozens upon dozens more warn police that his apartment was booby-trapped?

Idk any of your other questions but I'm pretty sure he thought his apartment already blown up because of the loud radio playing, when in fact it didn't.

 

[I Bleed Duke Blue]

I'm pretty sure he propped open the emergency door. The fault of the theater there is that there is no alarm signaling a propped door...that is poor, poor security.

I could definitely see another person being involved though.

 

I'm pretty sure he propped open the emergency door. The fault of the theater there is that there is no alarm signaling a propped door...that is poor, poor security.

I could definitely see another person being involved though.

Poor security?

Okay, so what if he had come in another door? Say he walks in the main door, what could have been done differently other than having him on camera (if they even had cameras out there)? Most cinemas (I've never seen one that did) don't have security, so it wouldn't have helped a thing.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

I'm pretty sure he propped open the emergency door. The fault of the theater there is that there is no alarm signaling a propped door...that is poor, poor security.

I could definitely see another person being involved though.

Think about it though. So many people can account for the guy that they all saw go to the emergency exit. SURELY they would have noticed red hair, there is no way they wouldn't.

 

[blazee]

Depending on the size of the cinema itself, there is only usually one camera per cinema which is facing the screen, and only the screen.

Secondly, when a emergency exit door is opened, there is an alarm that signals that the door has been popped open, but you can only hear it behind the counter where the staff room and management room is (where they keep the safe and such).

 

[SamBooDii]

Wow I like you, what you have to say is absolutely valid.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Depending on the size of the cinema itself, there is only usually one camera per cinema which is facing the screen, and only the screen.

Secondly, when a emergency exit door is opened, there is an alarm that signals that the door has been popped open, but you can only hear it behind the counter where the staff room and management room is (where they keep the safe and such).

I was referring to the ones that are usually outside directly above the emergency exits

 

[I Bleed Duke Blue]

Poor security?

Okay, so what if he had come in another door? Say he walks in the main door, what could have been done differently other than having him on camera (if they even had cameras out there)? Most cinemas (I've never seen one that did) don't have security, so it wouldn't have helped a thing.

I'm just saying, most fire exit doors are programmed to make an alarm type noise if a door is propped open for an excessive period of time. If this was his method of getting in, it would have been easier to get the weapons through the door and start the rampage. Carrying a duffle bag through the main door, where there are usually ticket counters and people waiting there, would have been suspicious . I don't know the layout of this cinema, but in the cinema I go to, they always have someone at the ticket booth making sure nobody is gaining entry without a ticket, or showing a ticket stub if they leave to get food or something.

An alarm going off might have done more help honestly.

@Blaze- Hmm interesting. I work Night Reception at my college, and I know you have to swipe kids in and out but also check for propped doors (which does show up on the main screen)..but there's also an alarm goes off if it is propped too long.

I'm not disagreeing with your assertion either Dialetic, but there were victims complaining about the same thing. Obviously it is very hard to have security designed to fully stop a shooter, if not impossible.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Most theaters are lax, tbh.

I wouldn't do it anymore of course, but I can't tell you how many times I brought in food/got to catch a free movie by sneaking in through the emergency.

@Sam - Thanks dude, just sharing the truth.

 

[I Bleed Duke Blue]

Most theaters are lax, tbh.

I wouldn't do it anymore of course, but I can't tell you how many times I brought in food/got to catch a free movie by sneaking in through the emergency.

@Sam - Thanks dude, just sharing the truth.

I definitely agree with this..it's not like they ever really design it to be against an active shooter. The whole door alarm thing though would make sense, could prevent false fire panics or whatnot if you have an alarm set.

At the very least, if it does go to the offices, if a door is propped for even a second, somebody on staff should check it out. A pain in the ass I'm sure, but it could go a long way in saving somebody. Even saving just 1 more life would be valuable..since of course it is not entirely possible to stop an active shooter..more luck involved in stopping it than anything.

 

[blazee]

I was referring to the ones that are usually outside directly above the emergency exits

At the cinema i'm at we don't have cameras above the emergency exits and I wouldn't think many cinemas do to be honest

 

[FloydZeppelin]

At the cinema i'm at we don't have cameras above the emergency exits and I wouldn't think many cinemas do to be honest

Let's assume it didn't, you still could not convince me that there aren't cameras that capture every inch of that perimeter. However close, far away, I know there is footage that captured it.

 

I'm just saying, most fire exit doors are programmed to make an alarm type noise if a door is propped open for an excessive period of time. If this was his method of getting in, it would have been easier to get the weapons through the door and start the rampage. Carrying a duffle bag through the main door, where there are usually ticket counters and people waiting there, would have been suspicious . I don't know the layout of this cinema, but in the cinema I go to, they always have someone at the ticket booth making sure nobody is gaining entry without a ticket, or showing a ticket stub if they leave to get food or something.

An alarm going off might have done more help honestly.

@Blaze- Hmm interesting. I work Night Reception at my college, and I know you have to swipe kids in and out but also check for propped doors (which does show up on the main screen)..but there's also an alarm goes off if it is propped too long.

I'm not disagreeing with your assertion either Dialetic, but there were victims complaining about the same thing. Obviously it is very hard to have security designed to fully stop a shooter, if not impossible.

What I'm saying though is, even if he walked in the main door with 4 assault rifles, who's going to stop him? Everyone's going to run away. The cinema wouldn't have armed security guards. Whether he went in the main door, or the emergency exit, people were going to die.

 

[I Bleed Duke Blue]

What I'm saying though is, even if he walked in the main door with 4 assault rifles, who's going to stop him? Everyone's going to run away. The cinema wouldn't have armed security guards. Whether he went in the main door, or the emergency exit, people were going to die.

Yeah that's definitely true, people were going to die no matter what sadly. Unfortunately if he did have to go in that way, maybe, just maybe more lives could have been saved.

In regards to the original post, I too have read a lot of weird conspiracy type things. I remember one victim saying he swears an explosive was thrown from a different position Holmes was thought to be.

Guess we may never know. =|

 

[Its good 2b back]

I think you are making to many assumptions of how everything is supposed to be and you take these assumptions for granted so your theory adds up,

Im not saying that everything we hear is correct, just saying that you shouldn't base to many arguments on assumptions. If you're that interested in the case, do some thorough research to the cinema itself and the people.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

I think you are making to many assumptions of how everything is supposed to be and you take these assumptions for granted so your theory adds up,

Im not saying that everything we hear is correct, just saying that you shouldn't base to many arguments on assumptions. If you're that interested in the case, do some thorough research to the cinema itself and the people.

Dude, the only assumption that has been made thus far is that he committed this horrific crime. And even despite the evidence that puts a spin on the case, the constant disregard and ignored questions, he's still plastered as nothing but a devil.

My arguments are facts, based on logic, witness testimony, CONCRETE evidence, etc. This "investigation" is a mockery to the justice system. The government lies, officials lie, the media lies, and Obama lies. There's no if ands or buts about it.

 

[Arto]

I too heard he proped open the door himself, went to his car to get his guns, came back and killed a lot of people.

Now how was there no alarm, as most doors DO have alarms (ill admit this is weird), but that's what we are told.

So if there's some conspiracy here, I don't think so, cause what would be the point? These people that were killed were innocent people, some of whom died protecting their girlfriends.

I don't know if he is insane or if he's just playing to get off easier or something but it's a shame it happened.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

^ I think you overestimate the value that people put on an "Innocent" person's life.