Large Threads Should Be Re-Opened

[Delta Squad]

? I am arguing for the new users and guests that overlook my thread in the first place.

this made me chuckle, you're not arguing for anyone but yourself.

you're threads arn't being overlooked due to veiws etc, most people look for the cheapest price in the title, then the poster, then the veiws/postcount.

maybe people just realised it was high-time to ignore the top sellers with their false advertisements anyways...


advertising in a title gold as low as .55/m but the cheapest method is like .67/m

i personally know it doesn't take that long to have a thread title changed.

refering back to my other post, stop being tycoons and give the little guys a chance,

It's sad that you people think veiws/postcount is what makes a buyer want to purchase your goods and services.

should we just ignore vouches and start working on our post veiws and have that regulate who the top players are in the sharade?

IF you have good customer service, and prices, and know how to accly advertise properly and stop relying on false titles, and thread veiws then the buyers will come.

what ever happened to hands on advertising and selling, honestly you guys say hard work and sweat went into your threads, well quite frankly from my point of veiw you all just got to lazy with the easy mode trading, dig in and do some foot work for once, go veiw buyers threads etc.

i'm not big in the markets, hell i'm not even big on sythe, but what little reputation i have i earned it by getting out there, and not waiting to be hand fed.


this is why i dislike most top gold sellers, some of the worst attitudes when it comes to real work.

it's not hard to manage a thread, now i am not trying to degrade you're line of work, if you can earn money online and thats what fits you, then by all means, my brother is disabled and most of his income is from online, so i understand that...



but as someone who works 10 hours a day doing manual labor in 90+ degrees tempatures, grow a fucking pair and man up.

 

but as someone who works 10 hours a day doing manual labor in 90+ degrees tempatures, grow a fucking pair and man up.

It's not a case of what kind of job and environment you have job in.. that's plain ignorance.

 

[Arcus Isidar]

It's sad that you people think veiws/postcount is what makes a buyer want to purchase your goods and services.

When I first sold gold from stakin winnings etc, I didn't know about vouches or anything like that, I traded with who had what looked to be the most active thread at that time. Safest bet if you're new to the forum and don't know about vouches or the history of a trader. If having those big threads open was an issue, (which I'm not debating against), the small sellers with small enough threads to evade this should have to restart too. No reason to give the "little guy" a fighting chance when they haven't proved their trustworthy. I personally wouldn't care about this as much if everyone was forced to restart and not just the ones with 50+ pages, 49 or less pages takes a long time to gain on a thread.

How many small sellers have gone out with big scams?

 

[Delta Squad]

When I first sold gold from stakin winnings etc, I didn't know about vouches or anything like that, I traded with who had what looked to be the most active thread at that time. Safest bet if you're new to the forum and don't know about vouches or the history of a trader.

mm... maybe i was different then, when i first join sythe last year with 0 blackmarket experience i asked around and from that i went with who had the best vouches. and thne once i knew how to trade properly i went with who had the best deals, and from that i have yet to be scammed.

It's not a case of what kind of job and environment you have job in.. that's plain ignorance.

if you read what i said i wasn't bashing the type of job, i was bashing the fact that they are lazy when it comes to finding a consumer to sale to.

Grave is the ONLY person i see do leg work for his gold sales. the rest just exspect people to come to them just because.

 

[Apith]

Well, Karl's screenshot said everything.

Bigger sellers still get way more traffic than smaller ones. Regardless of having smaller threads.

Here's the math.

KMJT

Big Thread
17 Months. 6.1k Replies, 144k views.

Small Thread
13 days 150 Replies 2.9k views

Big Thread - Average of 11.9 Replies per day. 282 Views per day.
Small Thread - Average of 11.5 Replies per day. 223 Views per day.

KMJT is overall doing the best from what I've seen. The market boomed on February 2011 and hundreds of replies, and possibly thousands of views, were added onto threads daily. Do the math, and KMJT's smaller thread should be averaging around 8-9 replies imo with the market weaker than before.

He gets the most views because he doesn't have a website. If someone wants to purchase gold off him, they have to either contact him on MSN and/or post on his thread.

Arcus

Big Thread
11 Months. 2.1k Replies. 76k views.

Small Thread
19 days 100 replies 2.45k views

Big Thread - Average of 6.3 Replies per day. 230 Views per day.
Small Thread - 5.2 Replies per day. 129 Views per day.

Arcus doesn't bump as often as KMJT or R2P, and people doesn't really need to look at his thread when they can go on his site. He still gets a decent amount of replies, even though I imagine most of his business is now done through his site. So to sum it up, his site, infrequent bumps, explains his low Views per day. I have no idea why his replies per day is strong.


R2P

Big Thread
17 months. 5k Replies. 200k views.

Small Thread
20 days 165 Replies 3.6k views

Big Thread - Average of 9.8 Replies per day. 392 Views per day.
Small Thread - 8.25 Replies per day. 180 Views per day.

Take note I started R2P on the 1st of 2011, divided his total views by 8000 replies. And I multiplied the answer by 5,000 to get a rough estimate.
I believe his customers go directly to his website (like arcus) which should have pushed his replies per day lower, but it only pushed the views down.

It was posted that people with 500+ Replies who had their threads untouched managed to get most of the new customers. Shine had his thread for 5 months, let's say 4 as it took him a while to start. In 4 months, he managed to get 500 replies and 9k views. That's an average of 4 replies per day, and 80 views per day. That is nothing compared to what you guys have been getting when you started out from a 0 reply thread.

End of thread.

You're welcome.

 

[Arcus Isidar]

Well, Karl's screenshot said everything.

Bigger sellers still get way more traffic than smaller ones. Regardless of having smaller threads.

Here's the math.

KMJT

Big Thread
17 Months. 6.1k Replies, 144k views.

Small Thread
13 days 150 Replies 2.9k views

Big Thread - Average of 11.9 Replies per day. 282 Views per day.
Small Thread - Average of 11.5 Replies per day. 223 Views per day.

KMJT is overall doing the best from what I've seen. The market boomed on February 2011 and hundreds of replies, and possibly thousands of views, were added onto threads daily. Do the math, and KMJT's smaller thread should be averaging around 8-9 replies imo with the market weaker than before.

He gets the most views because he doesn't have a website. If someone wants to purchase gold off him, they have to either contact him on MSN and/or post on his thread.

Arcus

Big Thread
11 Months. 2.1k Replies. 76k views.

Small Thread
19 days 100 replies 2.45k views

Big Thread - Average of 6.3 Replies per day. 230 Views per day.
Small Thread - 5.2 Replies per day. 129 Views per day.

Arcus doesn't bump as often as KMJT or R2P, and people doesn't really need to look at his thread when they can go on his site. He still gets a decent amount of replies, even though I imagine most of his business is now done through his site. So to sum it up, his site, infrequent bumps, explains his low Views per day. I have no idea why his replies per day is strong.


R2P

Big Thread
17 months. 5k Replies. 200k views.

Small Thread
20 days 165 Replies 3.6k views

Big Thread - Average of 9.8 Replies per day. 392 Views per day.
Small Thread - 8.25 Replies per day. 180 Views per day.

Take note I started R2P on the 1st of 2011, divided his total views by 8000 replies. And I multiplied the answer by 5,000 to get a rough estimate.
I believe his customers go directly to his website (like arcus) which should have pushed his replies per day lower, but it only pushed the views down.

It was posted that people with 500+ Replies who had their threads untouched managed to get most of the new customers. Shine had his thread for 5 months, let's say 4 as it took him a while to start. In 4 months, he managed to get 500 replies and 9k views. That's an average of 4 replies per day, and 80 views per day. That is nothing compared to what you guys have been getting when you started out from a 0 reply thread.

End of thread.

You're welcome.

This is very interesting. Would you care to see how this has affected rskingp's business (for example as one of the users hwo hasn't been forced to start his threads over)?

 

[Punkerpunk13]

I as well don't understand why old but not as successful marketers get to keep their threads, but the older well established ones don't. It blatantly is a disadvantage. If you want to be fair, should make it where everybody has to be reset when this happens. Obviously there's no logical reason to open threads back up if it's hurting the site.. It's easier just to close all. Why wasn't this done in the first place? Was it ever discussed?

 

[Arcus Isidar]

I as well don't understand why old but not as successful marketers get to keep their threads, but the older well established ones don't.

It blatantly is a disadvantage. If you want to be fair, should make it where everybody has to be reset when this happens.

Obviously there's no logical reason to open threads back up if it's hurting the site.. It's easier just to close all. Why wasn't this done in the first place? Was it ever discussed?

Agreed completely. Don't really care about my old threads as much but it sucks to see less trusted users appear to be much more trustworthy now that they're threads have such a head start.

 

[Delta Squad]

if they are to wipe all the other threads that din't get locked, they'd have to do a full forum wipe of that section to make it "fair" which would include the big gold sellers current new threads...


is that something you would really want? just seems like a big deal out of nothing.

 

[Apith]

This is very interesting. Would you care to see how this has affected rskingp's business (for example as one of the users hwo hasn't been forced to start his threads over)?

His new thread can be found here. It's 20 days old. He started over as well.

Average of 8 replies per day and 90 views.

http://puu.sh/E9tA

Don't tell me birdog, shine and popple have hit your businesses hard.

/thread

 

[asdasd123]

Guys you don't need to fight, you said my idea was quite viable. Instead of letting new users see the most well known people on Sythe fight and make them reconsider being apart of the community! Just take my idea and try and incorporate it.

 

[kmjt]

Selling Gold and services is your job at the moment, you aren't employed by Sythe, he doesn't pay you to sell gold or offer any benefits in doing so. Your income is made operating ON Sythe not working in/for Sythe, therefore there is no reason to treat certain members in a certain way. An example being your income is seen as a service in most cases, you are using Sythe as an advertising median basically because Sythe doesn't take a percentage or cut from your sales and isn't entitled to it. This is a free advertising board basically where you don't get charged for your posting similar to Kijiji except you can post under the thread rather than directly contacting and for the marketplace assume it is the stock exchange you make your income from supply of stocks and demand of the stocks but the stock exchange doesn't offer you any incentive to purchase or sell stocks other than your own income made from the purchase and sale.

Not a clue why you made things so technical. You said operating on Sythe shouldn't be considered a job. Well operating my business on Sythe is my job.

this made me chuckle, you're not arguing for anyone but yourself.

You misinterpreted what I said completely. Of course I am arguing for myself and other veteran sellers.


you're threads arn't being overlooked due to veiws etc, most people look for the cheapest price in the title, then the poster, then the veiws/postcount.

Completely incorrect if you are a new user. And the majority of our sales come from new users and guests.


maybe people just realised it was high-time to ignore the top sellers with their false advertisements anyways...


advertising in a title gold as low as .55/m but the cheapest method is like .67/m

Have you ever tried buying for 0.55? I'm sure plenty of sellers will do that through mail. Don't just accuse on assumption.


refering back to my other post, stop being tycoons and give the little guys a chance,

Little guys are more then welcome in the market however we were all little guys at one point. We had to work out way up to the top and they should have to do the same without any advantages that we didn't get.


It's sad that you people think veiws/postcount is what makes a buyer want to purchase your goods and services.

Its not what makes a buyer want to purchases our goods and services, but its what makes a buyer attracted to our thread.


should we just ignore vouches and start working on our post veiws and have that regulate who the top players are in the sharade?

There is a correlation between post/views and trusted sellers for the most part.


what ever happened to hands on advertising and selling, honestly you guys say hard work and sweat went into your threads, well quite frankly from my point of veiw you all just got to lazy with the easy mode trading, dig in and do some foot work for once, go veiw buyers threads etc.

Once again you assume. If you check buying threads you will notice I am very active. If we were lazy our threads never would have expanded to where they are.


i'm not big in the markets, hell i'm not even big on sythe, but what little reputation i have i earned it by getting out there, and not waiting to be hand fed.


this is why i dislike most top gold sellers, some of the worst attitudes when it comes to real work.

Not sure why you think we are lazy. Because we argue for something that has been taken away from us?


it's not hard to manage a thread, now i am not trying to degrade you're line of work, if you can earn money online and thats what fits you, then by all means, my brother is disabled and most of his income is from online, so i understand that...


but as someone who works 10 hours a day doing manual labor in 90+ degrees tempatures, grow a fucking pair and man up.

You are oblivious to the amount of work we actually have to do outside of Sythe and the stress we go through.

if you read what i said i wasn't bashing the type of job, i was bashing the fact that they are lazy when it comes to finding a consumer to sale to.

Once again how are we lazy? You should do the research before talking out of your ass. If you did you would see R2P's worker and myself in the buying section. Most if not all of what you say is completely ignorant.

Well, Karl's screenshot said everything.

Bigger sellers still get way more traffic than smaller ones. Regardless of having smaller threads.

Here's the math.

KMJT

Big Thread
17 Months. 6.1k Replies, 144k views.

Small Thread
13 days 150 Replies 2.9k views

Big Thread - Average of 11.9 Replies per day. 282 Views per day.
Small Thread - Average of 11.5 Replies per day. 223 Views per day.

KMJT is overall doing the best from what I've seen. The market boomed on February 2011 and hundreds of replies, and possibly thousands of views, were added onto threads daily. Do the math, and KMJT's smaller thread should be averaging around 8-9 replies imo with the market weaker than before.

He gets the most views because he doesn't have a website. If someone wants to purchase gold off him, they have to either contact him on MSN and/or post on his thread.

Arcus

Big Thread
11 Months. 2.1k Replies. 76k views.

Small Thread
19 days 100 replies 2.45k views

Big Thread - Average of 6.3 Replies per day. 230 Views per day.
Small Thread - 5.2 Replies per day. 129 Views per day.

Arcus doesn't bump as often as KMJT or R2P, and people doesn't really need to look at his thread when they can go on his site. He still gets a decent amount of replies, even though I imagine most of his business is now done through his site. So to sum it up, his site, infrequent bumps, explains his low Views per day. I have no idea why his replies per day is strong.


R2P

Big Thread
17 months. 5k Replies. 200k views.

Small Thread
20 days 165 Replies 3.6k views

Big Thread - Average of 9.8 Replies per day. 392 Views per day.
Small Thread - 8.25 Replies per day. 180 Views per day.

Take note I started R2P on the 1st of 2011, divided his total views by 8000 replies. And I multiplied the answer by 5,000 to get a rough estimate.
I believe his customers go directly to his website (like arcus) which should have pushed his replies per day lower, but it only pushed the views down.

It was posted that people with 500+ Replies who had their threads untouched managed to get most of the new customers. Shine had his thread for 5 months, let's say 4 as it took him a while to start. In 4 months, he managed to get 500 replies and 9k views. That's an average of 4 replies per day, and 80 views per day. That is nothing compared to what you guys have been getting when you started out from a 0 reply thread.

End of thread.

You're welcome.

Unfortunately there is more to it. We are all different types of sellers. For the majority of my time here on Sythe I have been a farmer (100% profit) therefore did not need to take the time to keep my thread booming. I would sell what I farmed and call it a day. That is even if I had to come on Sythe because the majority of my sales were directly through PA. So even back when I wasn't merchanting my thread was booming more than it is now, when I am on it 24/7. I have been out for months at a time. Since I started my new thread I haven't missed a day. There are so many factors you need to look at.


If you want one of my personal comparisons.. last year at this time if I left my msn on for the night when I woke up I would have around 20 open convos. Now I have maybe 1 if any.


I have no problem with a fresh start for everyone.

 

[Apith]

Unfortunately there is more to it. We are all different types of sellers. For the majority of my time here on Sythe I have been a farmer (100% profit) therefore did not need to take the time to keep my thread booming. I would sell what I farmed and call it a day. That is even if I had to come on Sythe because the majority of my sales were directly through PA. So even back when I wasn't merchanting my thread was booming more than it is now, when I am on it 24/7. I have been out for months at a time. Since I started my new thread I haven't missed a day. There are so many factors you need to look at.


If you want one of my personal comparisons.. last year at this time if I left my msn on for the night when I woke up I would have around 20 open convos. Now I have maybe 1 if any.


I have no problem with a fresh start for everyone.

So you're still blaming the size of your thread when you get more replies and views than anyone else, including R2P and Arcus.

I hate to say it, but my guess would be your ban. You were banned for a while, don't you think your customers would have bought from someone else? And maybe stuck with them?

last year at this time if I left my msn on for the night when I woke up I would have around 20 open convos.

Wouldn't this mean you didn't yet accept people added you, unless you can auto add. And those 20 open convos were your previous customers? The market has seemed to die down now, and back then gold was cheaper.

 

[kmjt]

So you're still blaming the size of your thread when you get more replies and views than anyone else, including R2P and Arcus.

I hate to say it, but my guess would be your ban. You were banned for a while, don't you think your customers would have bought from someone else? And maybe stuck with them?



Wouldn't this mean you didn't yet accept people added you, unless you can auto add. And those 20 open convos were your previous customers? The market has seemed to die down now, and back then gold was cheaper.

Yes it is very true that my ban lost me some return customers, but I am talking about the new users in particular.

I don't compare myself with others; just because I get more posts than others doesn't mean i'm happy with my thread. If I know i'm not working at my potential I am not happy. You may think 12 posts a day is good, but I can guarantee if I had my old thread you would see at least double that since at this particular time I am active in the market. When I was very active there was a point where I would be getting 50 posts a day from activity in my thread. Also R2P and Arcus don't have to rely on Sythe as much since they have their own websites, so of course I am going to have more thread activity then them. Since the core of my business relies on PA sales, I barely have any return customers. The bulk of my customers are new users that I convert to PA. There is a limit on PA as to how much you can buy, so most of my customers will reach this limit with me and then never contact me again.

It is true that the gp market has died over the past year, but if anything now is a time where it is beginning its upward spike with the anticipation of a bot nuke.

As for msn, people can still send you messages even when you haven't accepted their friend request if you set the option.

 

[Punjabi3]

Just a few other factors that currently contribute to the loss of gp sales atm.

Beta is out and many are testing it
Exploits in Beta where you can have items traded over which you can use and have no need to buy
People are worried about training and potentially wasting money on skills which might not be viable after the combat rework
The economy is crashing forcing people to hold their gp rather than invest in items
More competitive competition has appeared in the market
Less gp flow causing high supply but little demand

I'm fairly sure a lot of these contribute more to your sales rather than view/ post count

Also I feel this thread has turned into a bitching fight over nothing, lets keep it as it was intended to be a discussion thread not an argument. If you have suggestions list them with reasoning rather than pointing out what was fair and what was not fairly done.

I personally wouldn't mind all market threads being closed and everyone starting fresh but this will cause even more of an uproar.

I'm also apologizing to those I offended saying trading over Sythe isn't a job although in my eyes I may not see threads on sythe as a business rather as an adverstisement for you guys I'm sure you have your own reasoning to support why Sythe is a business.

 

[Apith]

Yes it is very true that my ban lost me some return customers, but I am talking about the new users in particular.

I don't compare myself with others; just because I get more posts than others doesn't mean i'm happy with my thread. If I know i'm not working at my potential I am not happy. You may think 12 posts a day is good, but I can guarantee if I had my old thread you would see at least double that since at this particular time I am active in the market. When I was very active there was a point where I would be getting 50 posts a day from activity in my thread. Also R2P and Arcus don't have to rely on Sythe as much since they have their own websites, so of course I am going to have more thread activity then them. Since the core of my business relies on PA sales, I barely have any return customers. The bulk of my customers are new users that I convert to PA. There is a limit on PA as to how much you can buy, so most of my customers will reach this limit with me and then never contact me again.

It is true that the gp market has died over the past year, but if anything now is a time where it is beginning its upward spike with the anticipation of a bot nuke.

As for msn, people can still send you messages even when you haven't accepted their friend request if you set the option.

It's true that 12 posts per day isn't much comparing to what you had in your old thread, but the ones I've seen were months old.

I suggest waiting for a few more weeks, see if anything changes. After all, your average Posts and views on your threads per day are similar in the end. As Punjabi said, with beta out, it's caused players in the beta to get ahold of pretty much any gear they desire. They could use chaotics, nex gear, spirit shields all free, and as many as they want. That kind of kills the point of others buying GP right now. Why buy GP when they can use way better gear on the beta.

In the end, you won't really be losing. Unless you depend on the income you receive from your business, and cannot have it decreased temporarily. Because GP would only go up when bot nuke is out, and even higher when combat rework is out (Will stop bots for a while). Your GP isn't going anywhere.

After giving the math, and the picture Karl gave, no one has really been getting much views or replies lately, including the biggest and most viewed threads that were left alone.

Here's the link again, in case you want to see the biggest threads and would like to observe it yourself.
http://puu.sh/E9tA

 

[kmjt]

I am well aware of the current events leading to a diminished market. However in this discussion they are irrelevant. What we are trying to say is we were stripped of something of great value to us. No one can argue that having a large thread is advantageous. I would trade 900 of my vouches to have my thread back that is how much I value it. However I realize there isn't much that can be done. If it is certain that we will never get our thread back then the next best thing would be a new start for everyone, even if they had 10 posts. At least this way the experienced sellers will excel from the start.

I'm not really sure what to look for in that picture. It makes sense that views are lower on all big gold sellers threads if thats what you mean. With big threads gone the views and posts are dispersed to a larger range of threads.

 

[kill dank]

I think the big sellers are just arguing so they can keep making money and not give people who are trying to get started in the market section a chance.

Stop being so selfish.

 

[kmjt]

I think the big sellers are just arguing so they can keep making money and not give people who are trying to get started in the market section a chance.

Stop being so selfish.

That doesn't make sense. Everyone starts at the bottom. Everyone had the same "chance". Forgive us for trying to protect the successful businesses we have established.

 

[kill dank]

That doesn't make sense. Everyone starts at the bottom. Everyone had the same "chance". Forgive us for trying to protect the successful businesses we have established.

It's not protecting anything. It's a few big sellers and buyers trying to monopolize the gold trade around here. Taking away your precious posts and huge threads doesn't destroy your business, it takes your flashy signs down and puts you on the same level as everyone else.