Large Threads Should Be Re-Opened

[Emperor Nero]

Is it possible to put the post count and view count of the previous thread onto the new thread? So when people search they will see your business has had lots of business.

Does that even make sense / is it viable?

Honestly, this makes the most sense. I am not sure the feasibility of it or the practicality of it - but it is the most pragmatic solution. Also, if only 'big sellers' get their threads back that will be a sad day for the forums. Showing favoritism has always been prevented in this forum and the staff, besides a few rogue agents, have remained uncorrupted by favoritism which is how a staff should run.

If the large sellers get their threads opened back up, then I want a name change. I have been here for two years and have made nearly 4k posts and helped the community in numerous ways - why not? Now I am not being serious (I like my name), but that is what it will turn into when you start showing favoritism to 'long term' members.

 

[Punjabi3]

Is it possible to put the post count and view count of the previous thread onto the new thread? So when people search they will see your business has had lots of business.

Does that even make sense / is it viable?

If this is possible it would be nice, but I see this taking far more effort and explaining to do, also regulating those threads which people want post counts changed on.

 

[Sypherz]

Would be a very convenient idea. Especially as a future prune may happen once the threads get big again.

 

As others have said, old sellers who put in years of work, most of them multiple hours a day, have been stripped of their competitive advantage.

Imagine working at a job for 10 years and gaining seniority. You have put in the time, effort, and dedication to have certain privileges on the job. Usually these are higher wages, increased vacation time, etc. Nearly every job out there provides these sorts of rewards to long-term employees.

What is happening here is like taking away all seniority rights from the older sellers. New sellers are actually given an ADVANTAGE by the fact that their old threads were small enough not to be closed, and they can carry on with their business on those threads. This has by no matter of luck increased their sales and given them a completely unwarranted edge against the longtime sellers on Sythe.

Also, anyone saying we are asking for favoritism, you are so wrong and blind. We are the ones who have been screwed in all of this. We lost our threads, while smaller users kept their threads. I agree with the fact that all big threads should be available for re-open. Nevertheless, we should require the request of the original authors to go about re-opening them, in order to only continue active threads.

 

[Frank0929]

Here is a list for vbulletin optimization: http://imtips.co/optimize-vbulletin.html

Not sure if it would help any. Maybe you could develop some sort of module that shows a preview of the first page thread. Users don't actually load the entire thread unless they click on another page or post a reply.


Edit: Could a mod please close this thread: http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1101962 It exceeds the post count limit and i think it's causing the internal server errors I am experiencing. It should be closed until a solution comes by.

 

[Punjabi3]

As others have said, old sellers who put in years of work, most of them multiple hours a day, have been stripped of their competitive advantage.

Imagine working at a job for 10 years and gaining seniority. You have put in the time, effort, and dedication to have certain privileges on the job. Usually these are higher wages, increased vacation time, etc. Nearly every job out there provides these sorts of rewards to long-term employees.

What is happening here is like taking away all seniority rights from the older sellers. New sellers are actually given an ADVANTAGE by the fact that their old threads were small enough not to be closed, and they can carry on with their business on those threads. This has by no matter of luck increased their sales and given them a completely unwarranted edge against the longtime sellers on Sythe.

Also, anyone saying we are asking for favoritism, you are so wrong and blind. We are the ones who have been screwed in all of this. We lost our threads, while smaller users kept their threads. I agree with the fact that all big threads should be available for re-open. Nevertheless, we should require the request of the original authors to go about re-opening them, in order to only continue active threads.

Operating on sythe.org isn't a job though and should never be seen as one, many forums close large threads as they cause server problems, if we go back to reopening the large threads we will definitely see those page loading errors and I'm sure even those errors turned customers away from your thread. It might be fixed in the new Vbulletin update but if these threads cause too much problems it is best if they are left closed for now.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Operating on sythe.org isn't a job though and should never be seen as one, many forums close large threads as they cause server problems, if we go back to reopening the large threads we will definitely see those page loading errors and I'm sure even those errors turned customers away from your thread. It might be fixed in the new Vbulletin update but if these threads cause too much problems it is best if they are left closed for now.

Exactly, Sythe is a forum and not a business platform or a personal ecommerce website. I think that Sythe or another Admin really should weigh in on this issue, because most anything we say now is sort of just speculation and we don't need a huge stink over false speculations. If the large threads are going to be detrimental to site performance they stay closed, but if they can be re-opened without an impact on server performance then I honestly don't see a problem in reopening them.

 

[MrLuckyDraw]

Exactly, Sythe is a forum and not a business platform or a personal ecommerce website.

But our forums are based around the biggest, most active section: the market.

 

[Emperor Nero]

But our forums are based around the biggest, most active section: the market.

But Sythe is a community, not just a few individual sellers. That was the point I was trying to make, as Punjabi did before me. It may be a marketplace, but it isn't a job.

 

[kmjt]

Its simple, if we have to unlock one thread, we'll have to do it for everyone else, and then the forums will break again. Before you reply with "just unlock it for the big guys", Lol, No thanks.. that'd be an insanely corrupt move.

As opposed to the opposite, only having the big threads locked? I agree about corruption however if you wanted to be fair in the first place you would of initialized a clean slate for everyone (everyone would have to start a new thread). But nope, the medium sized sellers prevailed with their 500 thread posts and are now considered the big boys and are excelling over us.

If the large sellers get their threads opened back up, then I want a name change.

A name change is completely different. You haven't been stripped of anything of substantial importance to you; we have. We aren't asking for anything new; we are asking for what was once ours.

Operating on sythe.org isn't a job though and should never be seen as one

Who are you to say what we do isn't our job? I paid off all four years of my university tuition/residence/food through "operating on sythe.org". This is very well my job (for now) and I know many others take it as a serious job too. That is why we are taking this so seriously; by doing this you are cutting our pay check.


Some of you may be biased because you don't make a living from Sythe, however put yourself in the shoes of someone who does. To those who say this is a community as well as a market, what is our slogan? We will always be known for our market and that is how we attract most new users.

 

Operating on sythe.org isn't a job though and should never be seen as one

You're joking right?

Exactly, Sythe is a forum and not a business platform or a personal ecommerce website. I think that Sythe or another Admin really should weigh in on this issue, because most anything we say now is sort of just speculation and we don't need a huge stink over false speculations. If the large threads are going to be detrimental to site performance they stay closed, but if they can be re-opened without an impact on server performance then I honestly don't see a problem in reopening them.

For some users here on Sythe, it very well is a business platform and you can evidently tell by the comments and concerns posted by the ones who take it as that. It's also different than your average forum in the sense that there's a market involved...

 

[Karl]

Lets just show some facts and statistics
Page 1 of the Gold Selling section - Based on views - The OLD threads http://puu.sh/E9sz
Page 2 of the Gold selling section - Based on views - The NEW threads http://puu.sh/E9tA

Now lets look at those threads, and lets say.. with bias, that Grave, R2, Hahanerd, KMJT, and Arcus are the only noteable sellers there, this isn't true.. but lets just say that.
These guys are your competition, Less known in the market, less dedicated, long existing threads, large amount of posts and views - http://puu.sh/E9vb
You guys are on roughly 100-200 posts each, yet you're on par and almost beating them already on views, so don't say your not getting any custom, because you obviously are, your views are still high, you're still well known.


Saying it isn't corrupt is a biased opinion; Every trader, IMHO, shall be treated the same. Every big thread was closed in all sections, including the famous get 1M posts sticky in spam forum, there had to be a line between Large threads and medium threads, now you feel cheated on because people who still had medium amount of posts... as I stated before.. R2, you had 8K posts.. 8,000, 319K views.. think about how many times the forum software would have to request the data for your threads to be provided, every time someone views it.. Its a huge amount of traffic data and requests that was causing the database contention, just like every other sales thread.

As opposed to the opposite, only having the big threads locked? I agree about corruption however if you wanted to be fair in the first place you would of initialized a clean slate for everyone (everyone would have to start a new thread). But nope, the medium sized sellers prevailed with their 500 thread posts and are now considered the big boys and are excelling over us.

I find it impossible that this is the case, you don't lose all your credibility once a thread is closed.
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The only compromise I would suggest adding is taking the last 5-10 pages off of your old thread and adding it to your new one, which would give you 100-200 replies straight off the bat. Re-opening the old threads, unless conducted to by Sythe or Matthew themselves, is not going to happen.

 

[Arcus Isidar]

I agree completely, would love my old threads back...

Or at least close ALL market threads, it seems like some newer traders have an unfair advantage with their threads not being closed.

 

[kmjt]

We don't lose our credibility, but our portrayed credibility is diminished.

 

[Delta Squad]

if your such a wellknown seller buyers will come to you when they see your thread period.


who cares if your posts/veiws are gone, if your so well-known you'll have it back soon.

case/closed imho.

if anything it helps the other sellers get established abit, just because you want to be a tycoon in a market, doesn't mean you always get what you want.

infact i normally go to the smaller threads myself because you can normally find better deals.

 

I for one don't do business with someone based on the size of their thread.

 

[kmjt]

You guys are on roughly 100-200 posts each, yet you're on par and almost beating them already on views, so don't say your not getting any custom, because you obviously are, your views are still high, you're still well known.


Saying it isn't corrupt is a biased opinion; Every trader, IMHO, shall be treated the same.

It is unfair to say that we are still getting business like that in comparison. Of course we have more experience than medium sellers so of course we know how to expand our threads compared to them. You can't assume just because we have some posts and views that everything is ok. How do you know those aren't from repeat customers? I am arguing for the new users and guests that overlook my thread in the first place.


You say every trader should be treated the same, yet that isn't what happened. You left threads open and only closed the big ones giving certain people an advantage as Arcus said.

 

[Punjabi3]

Who are you to say what we do isn't our job? I paid off all four years of my university tuition/residence/food through "operating on sythe.org". This is very well my job (for now) and I know many others take it as a serious job too. That is why we are taking this so seriously; by doing this you are cutting our pay check.


Some of you may be biased because you don't make a living from Sythe, however put yourself in the shoes of someone who does. To those who say this is a community as well as a market, what is our slogan? We will always be known for our market and that is how we attract most new users.

Selling Gold and services is your job at the moment, you aren't employed by Sythe, he doesn't pay you to sell gold or offer any benefits in doing so. Your income is made operating ON Sythe not working in/for Sythe, therefore there is no reason to treat certain members in a certain way. An example being your income is seen as a service in most cases, you are using Sythe as an advertising median basically because Sythe doesn't take a percentage or cut from your sales and isn't entitled to it. This is a free advertising board basically where you don't get charged for your posting similar to Kijiji except you can post under the thread rather than directly contacting and for the marketplace assume it is the stock exchange you make your income from supply of stocks and demand of the stocks but the stock exchange doesn't offer you any incentive to purchase or sell stocks other than your own income made from the purchase and sale.

On a second note: We are still having database issues (for a number of reasons) and the number of large threads people have and insist on using is not helping.

Just keep it as a reference, not an active thread.

I understand you are upset and maybe I don't know how much your income is effected by this but reopening certain members threads is extremely unfair, and then opening everybody's who have requested it makes the server continue to crash.

You're joking right?

and no Hahanerd why would I joke around apart from the spam forum.

 

[Frank0929]

Saying it isn't corrupt is a biased opinion; Every trader, IMHO, shall be treated the same. Every big thread was closed in all sections, including the famous get 1M posts sticky in spam forum

Is Dragon Dyce excluded from this or am I missing something?

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1101962

 

[kmjt]

I for one don't do business with someone based on the size of their thread.

I wouldn't expect someone who has been here to. As I stated in my posts I am referring to new users and guests.