autobumpers forcing legit buyers/sellers off the page

i've noticed a lot of sub-forums within the market are full of auto-bumped threads where the buyer/seller isn't actually buying/selling at all or they're offline for x hours even though their thread was bumped x minutes ago

this leads to people having to go through 3-5+ threads to find someone who is actually selling/buying what they need and/or giving up completely

i can understand within sub-forums where a site is auto-bumping RSGP threads but not in other niches as it just clutters the forum

i'm also led to believe that this is normally looked over due to autobumpers but i think this should be reconsidered

this is something i've come across over the past few weeks and it's gradually just gotten a bit

example:

*thread bumped 30min ago*

*blocked out the livechat agent's name out of respect*

i'm not 100% sure the way to approach this, but i think it should be addressed. maybe take the URL of the thread you don't want bumped out of your auto-bumper? if you need to bump it again, add it back in

i have nothing against autobumpers etc but it can get irritating and it clutters up the forum

edit: here's another example:

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People that bump their thread when they 'shouldn't be' already get infracted if they happen to get caught i think

 

I'm pretty sure @Sythe said he'd put in a system where there is a bump button.

If something like this is put in; people won't get post count.. People have to actually physically go to their threads and bump still.(Iknow this has nothing to do with OP, just pointing out something relevant). But it wont change auto-bumpers unless we ban them and the sale of them - for the use of Sythe.org. I get what you're saying, and I guess it does look tedious. I don't see what could be done to stop that, as it would cause a riot if those where stopped. What do you think should be done or changed?

Perhaps if auto bumpers are set to a different bump timer compared to people who actually put effort into bumping themselves? (force a different timer for auto bump bots i.e. every 10 hours?). If something like that could be detected, maybe?


@Menno you can only bump your thread specifically by 8 hours time, it's fixed as in you can't repost on it.

 

@Sonia i was pointing out that users who are bumping threads without a reason already get infracted if they get caught rather than pointing out the 8 hour rule

 

that's not the vibe i was getting when i asked a few staff, they said when it comes to autobumpers it tends to get overlooked, so i was told to make this suggestion to see how others would feel regarding the situation

 

Thanks for blocking out the names but think about this we do buy bitcoins everyday but not every hour like other users when we have much stock we don't need anymore to buy but there are sometimes that we need urgently so we bump it every 8hours which makes it easier to get customers.

 

@Realist unless someone or people who go through the list of bumped threads and find that half these live chat workers are not buying/selling for some time (a long period of time), and then report them. Idk? have an infraction system for auto-bumpers, where they are then restricted after a few warnings etc, if they don't remove specific threads and re-added (which are being bumped for no reason)? Restricted meaning, not allowed to use auto bumpers per amount of time. Not sure if this goes against free market etc.

It isn't fair that based on what The Sun said above, that they just bump for no reason. Bump when you're looking for it, I guess that's the issue with auto bumpers, but perhaps Realists' addition to his suggestion could help.

 

imo this isn't how the market should work, you shouldn't be able to bump a thread now and keep it bumped 24/7 on that 'if' chance that you may need to actually buy in 6 hours from bumping

 

The issue with this is, we're allowed to bump every 8 hours on the dot. I could bump at 8PM and at 8:02PM have bought the stock i can hold already off chat/skype.. Are you suggesting we just remove the bump when we're done?

I do think it's a bit ridiculous that if you went right on the dot of bumping and they made it seem like they don't even buy gold...

Sometimes I can't take anymore but a customer will come on with 1b 07 and want to just dump it for below market rate, so at that point im happy i bumped and now im getting a sweet deal and just having to take a little bigger of a risk with stock.

 

Should we also do something about the 5+ people bumping buying partyhats 24/7 and if you approach them they have maybe $24 in their PayPal and bitcoin wallets. You're asking for a market reform, and I don't think you're going to get one.

 

if everyone adopted this mindset then the market forums would be absolute chaos. everyone will just get auto-bumpers and throw all their threads on it regardless if they are buying/selling x y z within that time.

what's wrong with bumping the thread when you actually are buying/selling? and re: your previous post, that's absolutely fine, the issue is with people bumping while having no intention of buying/selling x y z after bumping and cluttering up the forums.

 

Staff aren't here to police as Sythe himself stated, I don't think it'd be fair to them to go through hundreds of threads a day to check.. People will learn that the shop isn't actually buying and the shop will die out from turning people away 24/7.

Sythe also has like 5 active staff members as it is, i don't see this happening.

 

This applies same with donating to sythe.org

Digital Currency and Non-Game Sales


A friend of mine tried to donate 25$ 3days ago and he couldn't find anyone online out of all bond holders expect who are taking fee's.Imagine they are all sticky threads and you don't need to bump them if this is getting deleted those stickies need to removed aswell because it makes people to go 5-6threads as you stated in your OP.

So no support.

 

tbh, there are some people who will actually buy the party hats for the right price but Sythe staff shouldn't have to weed through them to see who is actually legitimate and who isn't *free market* , and how would they decide who's actually buying it... donor status? post count? there is no way to actually do it as no one can read minds.

 

Nobody is going to waste time playing police, this is what the 8 hour bump rule is for. This is a completely unbiased opinion as I don't even use a bumper.

 

I agree somewhat, but I use an autobumper too and it's incredibly useful for business.

It means I can spend a healthy time on sythe each day and focus on business rather than forum posting, which is a minor source of traffic anyway.

To compromise it could be made that only site owners can autobump, but that would again open a debate in how it's unfair for casual users.

Overall I disagree then, as it would make sythe.org not worth it in my opinion if site owners have to spend all day bumping their topics, or pay somebody to do it for them.

Sythe mentioned in another topic last month I believe, that he is considering reworking parts of the site layout, so improvements may come with that.

 

No support, auto bumpers are part of the free market, ur free to buy one just like everyone is, its called having an advantage over competition, and it drives traffic and does branding even if their not buying bitcoin(in ur example), which is all part of the free market.

No support sorry buddy.

 

This really isn't realistic. Sythe has done a good job of changing the staff mentality to be a "court" rather than police force that patrols the forum. If you run into major problems just report them and let the staff handle it.

As far as autobumpers go, I think it's much too hard to nitpick like this. Bumping while not being readily available happens in pretty much every market section, including the MM section. I think adding an "online requirement" to bump is a bit too restricting. If someone is following the 8 hour bump rule and using a tool such as an autobumper to be as efficient as possible, (3 bumps a day instead of 2) I don't see why they should be punished. At the very least, the bump is exposure for their business. I'd imagine this is why many sites are in a few different markets, so they can market their brand and hopefully bring in customers to buy their RSGP after first going to their site for something different like CS:GO keys.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with OP. A lot of threads are clearly used for farming post counts. There are a few that the only reply is from the OP for pages upon pages. If you're bumping a thread saying you're buying something when you really aren't then that should be an infraction for spam.