Znamgs Ban Dispute

[Znamgs-Dispute]

Hello, I am trying to appeal my ban which honestly I think was unfair to me.
This is the Scam Report that I got banned for:
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1598042-znamgs-scamming-phat-location.html
This is my Thread that is spoken of:
http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007-item-exchange/1597933-cheap-selling-rare-spot-read.html

Today I sold the spot to a couple of people, one being:

http://www.sythe.org/members/246988-fishfishy.html
An ex-moderator who is using my spot currently without complaint.

http://www.sythe.org/members/330743-godgenesis.html
Sythe Verified User, and $50 Donator.

Neither one of them despite having a ridiculously better reputation thought of even filing a scammer report, because when it comes down to it the spot all comes from the eye of the beholder. It is a non-leaked spot (such as Varrock & Falador Buildings ect.), it was not shown on any livestreams that I had watched, and other then it being brought to my attention by some users I had not seen it on any lists for phat hunting. It was in one list that I was given a link to for Green Mask hunting (Majority of spots changed as of yesterday).

In my personal opinion I don't think it's fair that I be banned because one user (RsProd) thinks that the spot is widely known. The spot is fairly empty(of course will become more populated throughout the week) and all users should be aware that they are buying at there own risk, if they already knew about the spot then they should not have bought it and that's tough luck for them.

My thread had been updated at some point throughout the night due to some user flaming me about the spot to issue my new fine print which stated that it was not on any lists or streams that "I" knew of. Of course I am not the only person in the world to know the spot and obviously I do not look up every list or watch every stream.

If I could please be unbanned it would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

 

[RsProd]

I personally don't see a reason to accept this dispute, however I'll leave the final call to another mod.

I'd like to add the following into the basket:

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1598046-znamgs-admitted-scam.html - Where Znamgs admits to scamming a user by telling him an invalid spot due to the fact he believed the person would scam him.
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1598030-znamgs-requesting-he-permed.html - Where he changes a password to an account he was having a service done without contacting the owner of the server to inform him he was doing so.

These two threads, on top of the main reason for your ban HERE is enough for me to believe the ban is warranted.

 

[Znamgs-Dispute]

The reason I am making this thread is because I can find no way to reply to my own dispute thread (located at: http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/1598082-znamgs-ban-dispute.html)


RsProd Replied to My Dispute Thread (Which can be found at:http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/1598082-znamgs-ban-dispute.html) with:

I personally don't see a reason to accept this dispute, however I'll leave the final call to another mod.

I'd like to add the following into the basket:

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/...tted-scam.html - Where Znamgs admits to scamming a user by telling him an invalid spot due to the fact he believed the person would scam him.
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/...he-permed.html - Where he changes a password to an account he was having a service done without contacting the owner of the server to inform him he was doing so.

These two threads, on top of the main reason for your ban HERE is enough for me to believe the ban is warranted.

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All I wanted to answer to this is:

The first report, I had no malicious intent towards that user and technically did NOT scam him. He had no idea the spot I had given him was fake (I was going to tell him this once he gave final payment due to the fact he was acting extremely fishy on Skype and had NO vouches). He made up excuses on why he couldn't buy GP but could give direct PP ect. I had no malicious intent and actually did NOT scam him out of anything due to the fact he never gave me the full payment. I then told him the spot was fake and he told me to "give back what I just gave and I'll give all of it at once". Obvious Scammer.

The second report, I did not break his terms, I contacted him and told him that I was taking my account back while he was Online on Skype, whether or not he decided to remain logged in and not answer my message is his own irresponsibility. The fact that he got IP banned due to too many incorrect logins shows his irresponsibility and 24/7 botting with other users accounts. If my account ran out of membership (Can't login) or got banned (Can't login) then Jagex would have been probably IP banned him as well? That being said if that hapenned I obviously wouldn't be facing a punishment.

Thank you, that is all. Wish me luck with my dispute and see if you can somehow pair this as a response to my dispute thread located at: http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/1598082-znamgs-ban-dispute.html

 

[kmjt]

I personally don't see a reason to accept this dispute, however I'll leave the final call to another mod.

I'd like to add the following into the basket:

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1598046-znamgs-admitted-scam.html - Where Znamgs admits to scamming a user by telling him an invalid spot due to the fact he believed the person would scam him.
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1598030-znamgs-requesting-he-permed.html - Where he changes a password to an account he was having a service done without contacting the owner of the server to inform him he was doing so.

These two threads, on top of the main reason for your ban HERE is enough for me to believe the ban is warranted.

Closing this since he just told me that he hasn't even given the 2.5m back, so basically he scammed.

 

IMO, the ban for the location isn't necessary. I think the whole concept of selling a location is ridiculous, but surely nobody goes in to a deal for one thinking nobody knows of it, of course it's going to be listed somewhere or other if you look hard enough. At one point, when his lists were updated, it wasn't leaked/well known.

However, the apparent anti-scamming situation does warrant a ban. Because technically he did give the false location before said user "scammed" him. Although, nothing now has to be paid back as after complaints he gave the user the actual location and so the trade was completed.

Personally, if he were to pardon I think he should only have the "anti-scam" to appeal for.

 

[kmjt]

IMO, the ban for the location isn't necessary. I think the whole concept of selling a location is ridiculous, but surely nobody goes in to a deal for one thinking nobody knows of it, of course it's going to be listed somewhere or other if you look hard enough. At one point, when his lists were updated, it wasn't leaked/well known.

However, the apparent anti-scamming situation does warrant a ban. Because technically he did give the false location before said user "scammed" him. Although, nothing now has to be paid back as after complaints he gave the user the actual location and so the trade was completed.

Personally, if he were to pardon I think he should only have the "anti-scam" to appeal for.

He states that the location was leaked on his thread, there is no proof that he actually gave the location to him (unless he can present proof).

The bottom line is he scammed a user, even if it was an "anti-scam". He showed no intent in paying it back until I confronted him about it.

 

Yes. I'm not disputing his ban, I just think the location thing which he was actually banned for isn't enough.

The anti-scam case though, is. He's offered to pay back the user (on my end anyway) if it's deemed that he didn't disclose the location. I've PM'd the user for clarification though. After that's settled, he can then pardon for that.

 

He never told me the location he is bs. He is taking to me right now in game on runescape saying he will pay me back but I doubt it. I think he is trying to get unbanned then never give my money.

Yeah, repay this guy and then pardon.