Zerkerfist / RSTrader1471

[Grave]

I made a deal with Zerkerfist where if I purchased an account (he was selling it for his friend) he would guarantee that he covers it, and if he cannot, he would give back the purchase price plus any gold on the account. I don't have any proof on how much was on the account, so I do not necessarily expect that back, but I do expect the account to be recovered. Under our agreement, once the account is recovered, the first login attempt into the account needs to be recorded, and if the IP is not mine, I would receive a refund. In addition, if the IP matches to Zerker's I expect it to be dealt with accordingly. In the event that the IP is somehow not recorded, it would automatically default to a refund.


Please allow Zerkerfist and/or his friend 24-48 hours to attempt to recover the account. However, if they do not respond in a timely manner I expect them to be banned until further notice.

Agreed to the new terms & conditions, and the price drop.

Changed pricing to 1.1B. Confirming agreement, and also adding this:

• If the account is recovered, you are responsible for recovering it
• Once you recover it, if the IP isn't mine, I want a refund
• Burden of proof is on you for proving the IP is mine
• If you can't recover it, I want a refund

And in the event that GP prices fluctuate, whether up or down, we will still go by the GP amount.

The following is the general trade agreement for the purchase of Rstrader1471's account:

• You are purchasing Rstrader1471's account for the A/W of 1.2B
• You will be trading the RSGP to my mule, RSN = -----
• Previous account owners in order are: Noobmage, Arcus Insidar, Rstrader1471
• If the account were to be locked after purchase, Noobmage has agreed to help recover the account and return it to your possession.
• If the account were to EVER be recovered or any problems were encountered, Rstrader1471 would be responsible for refunding you the full price you paid for the account.
• A 7 day bank pin will be set on the account and in the event of a recovery, it is your responsibility to inform myself & Rstrader1471 immediately. We have agreed to cover the costs of whatever you had stored in the bank if the account was unable to be recovered before the removal of the bank PIN, providing you have FULL & adequate proof, and providing the total value of the bank is no more than a maximum of 2B RSGP.
• In the extremely unlikely event that Rstrader1471 was the scammer himself or was unable to pay/refused to pay, I acknowledge that I will be fully liable and responsible for paying back the original purchase price of 1.2B, plus anything else included in the above term.

Zerkerfist
August 05, 2012 - 10:52 AM PT


Below is a copy of the MSN chat we are currently having, discussing the final sale terms of the account you are about to purchase. It is copy & pasted exactly word for word:

Cicak Mage says (10:17 AM)
Shall I inv to convo?
With grave
I have him on this msn
Zerkerfist . says (10:23 AM)
sure
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Grave has been added to the conversation.
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Cicak Mage says (10:25 AM)
Hey
Zerkerfist . says (10:26 AM)
Hi Grave
Cicak Mage says (10:26 AM)
Grave will outline stuff here and would want a PM after you agree to conditions
Grave says (10:26 AM)
Hi, just want to know how much responsibility you're willing to take for the account
Zerkerfist . says (10:27 AM)
In the extremely unlikely case the the account was to be recovered and Rstrader was to take off, I would be fully responsible for refunding
Grave says (10:28 AM)
What about any recoveries by and of the previous owners?
Zerkerfist . says (10:28 AM)
The previous owners are Noobmage and Arcus Insidar
Grave says (10:28 AM)
If the account gets recovered even once, I would not be interested in it as it's a waste to even use it. I also spoke to Cicak about another issue
Zerkerfist . says (10:29 AM)
that is understandable. I don't think the account will ever be recovered though. there is a small chance it could be locked though, as you will be the 4th IP attached to the acc
Grave says (10:29 AM)
I will obviously place a 7 day pin on the account, but in the event that it gets recovered and you cannot recover it in time to get the items out of the bank safely, I ask that you cover my loss. I will be using it for staking, and I have a main, so I obviously won't put outrageous amounts on there, but I don't want to put 1B, have it permanently recovered and then lose 1B on top of that
Zerkerfist . says (10:29 AM)
in which case Noobmage could assist in returning it to your possession. I've already PM'd him about this weeks ago to make sure he is OK with that
Cicak Mage says (10:30 AM)
^that's if it gets locker when you first login
Locked*
Zerkerfist . says (10:31 AM)
yes, what I just said is regarding the chance of it being locked after you log in, for whatever reason
Grave says (10:31 AM)
If it gets locked I don't expect a refund, but I expect full help getting it unlocked. In the event that it gets somehow perm locked, I'd be willing to split the risk 50/50, for the purchase period, and if it gets locked because it gets recovered by someone else I obviously want a refund.
Zerkerfist . says (10:32 AM)
and Grave, about your second condition with the bank pin, I could agree to that. But you would have to provide evidence that proves without a doubt EXACTLY how much money you had on the account secured in the bank
so it would be your responsibility to document that very carefully
Grave says (10:32 AM)
Right, I always record all trades and everything since I pretty much have unlimited hard drive, so that won't be an issue.
I'll most likely screenshot it every time I log off for the first 6 months
Zerkerfist . says (10:32 AM)
just don't keep like 50B in the bank either because there is just no way I could ever cover that kind of loss
Grave says (10:33 AM)
Yeah, understandable
If anything, it will be 1-2B, past that I'll move it to my mules
Zerkerfist . says (10:33 AM)
that is reasonable
Grave says (10:33 AM)
Okay, please send a full copy of this chat, and also a summary of what we're agreeing to
Grave says (10:34 AM)
And I'll pay A/W. I expect you guys to go first though with all details. I can also respond to the PM for confirmation
Cicak Mage says (10:34 AM)
I'd just like to add that although zerkerfist is responsible, IF it gets recovered, I will be paying you, not zerkerfist, I know you need guarantee from zerker but I will be the one refunding
Just thought I'd let you know
Zerkerfist . says (10:36 AM)
I will be offering the refund if Rstrader were to go rogue and take off or something
Cicak Mage says (10:37 AM)
Which I wont^
Zerkerfist . says (10:37 AM)
because it is his account that he is selling and I am merely assisting with the sale, it would be his responsibility to refund you. but I am agreeing to fully refund plus share the losses of any wealth on the account that cannot be recovered, in the very rare instance that Rstrader fleeced both of us
Grave says (10:37 AM)
I also expect you to be responsible if rstrader doesn't pay me if noob recovers it, or anyone else.
Grave says (10:38 AM)
Like Arcus, but I doubt he would
Zerkerfist . says (10:38 AM)
Yes of course.
What we mean is that if anything happened to the account at all, as the seller, Rstrader would be responsible for the refund. I will likely pitch in and help him a bit though
if Rstrader WAS the scammer however, the full responsibility would fall on my shoulders
and I am agreeing to that, and acknowledging the risk
Cicak Mage says (10:39 AM)
Also to the both of you, I have an extremely good chance of becoming a dragon dyce host so for extra security and for me to be risking my rank, I can disclose my host name and confirm it so I would be risking my rank if I scsm or don't pay you back
Grave says (10:39 AM)
Okay, and RStrader would be considered the scammer, even if he refuses to pay back for a recovery. Just making sure you understand that
In the end, let me make it very simple
Zerkerfist . says (10:39 AM)
yes.
Grave says (10:40 AM)
If it gets recovered and someone doesn't pay me back, I expect everybody banned until it is, except for noob if we find out just rstrader recovered it
Anyway, waiting on PM if you already haven't
Zerkerfist . says (10:40 AM)
you want a full copy of this chat in your inbox?
link me to your profile btw
Grave says (10:41 AM)
Full copy in quote, and then above it, explain all of the terms we discussed. Try to keep it simple, as in case of a dispute I don't want you being able to twist words
Zerkerfist . says (10:41 AM)
yes of course
link please
Grave says (10:41 AM)
http://www.sythe.org/member.php?u=163331
Here's the cut-off for what you need to paste ----------

 

[Corey]

PMing this to Zerkerfist.

 

[Corey]

Grave has requested that you not be banned, but rather just be given a TwC until this can be sorted, which I feel is a very fair compromise.

I've requested a TwC for you.

Closing this for now and I assume there will be no recent updates.