Y'all need some more mods

Agree to disagree on this aspect xd.

As Nick said, It's better to have more people doing less, than a few doing everything. I think it's beating a dead horse if I say again, don't do this, we all disagree with it, but meh. It's a good idea as I said, just not applicable to this forum.

What SuF said is spot on (below), and I think everyone aside the Staff agree on that from this community.

 

That quote by SuF is wrong in my opinion. They ARE mods and they are given these positions because they have a specific specialty that would fit a specific section. If anything they are getting the better end because they get to be a mod, but don't have to do any of the dispute "robot" work as SuF likes to call it. How is this any different than saying promoting somebody to Global mod is rude because you are saying they aren't good enough to be an Admin.

 

It's the job of the sectionals right now because this is just a proposal and nothing more.

The problem we have is the sectionals don't always do it because they prefer the modscore stuff. Which is fine, you agreed we need those people. So the other type of sectional would do what they enjoy/already do for the community but wouldn't affect the score side of things.

 

They are doing what Roary has admitted is a sectionals job without being "good" enough to be a full sectional. It also essentially says that community stuff is less important than being a robot. They are equally important.

 

Just because they are seperate doesn't mean they aren't equal. If someone has a specific skill set and the staff think they're more suitable for one role rather than the other then that's not to say they're lower, just more suited to a community role than a score role.

 

If it is there job and they are not doing it then they are not meeting expectations and should be long gone. That hasn't happened so it is obviously not their job. The activity requirements do not say they have to. The mods that want to do more community stuff have been forced out or quit because of the skewed ideas of what a moderator should be.

The mod log system is OBVIOUSLY the problem. Treat the problem.

 

Then why do they not get full access to the lounge? Separate is not equal.

Here's a great Wikipedia article on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education

 

Don't need a new group for that. Again, back to what Nick said: Split the load.

Those who wan't to only do modlogs and are too busy, and or don't have the drive to be community involved aswell, let them. Let them be efficient in moderating. There is no harm having both as sectionals, some who prefer helping the community, some who prefer a mix of both and some who prefer modlogs. No need add a new group for that. It's essentially just different personalities and traits as one. Literally how a work-place is. Different minds hired for the same task. Not everyone is the same, doesn't mean it's wrong or right, or should be treated differently.

 

And this isn't even a new concept! It's been that way since 2005. It is only recently that we are running into these problems.

 

Because apparently staff think that they're not suited to that kind of role. Staff seem to be keen on this idea in the staff lounge, so that makes the pool of names substantially bigger. There's no other way to increase that pool than to put people in a role that staff are happy with.

Anyways, I've said my piece. SuF and I could probably argue forever it seems, but both our stances have been made clear. Other people can weigh in and whatever, but I've made what I think clear.

 

I think Sythe and his team do a great job, I see no reason to expand.

 

The staff are keen on it because they do not want to do it because the staff that did are all gone. Our sectional -> global -> admin system has worked for years. There is nothing wrong with it. The staff is made up mostly of inexperienced mod log crushers. There is no one on the level of Sin, Finn, Nick, Steph, Darren, Tyro or any number of ex-globals left. Of course all the staff agree because they are followers and they fit into the mod log system of robots.

 

Because the suitable people have depleted in number/become inactive over time.

Change can be refreshing.

I'll agree to disagree with you.

/peace

 

I beg to differ many of us don't follow the mod log robot system but both type of people are required. I have the time to weigh in on issues and contribute to the community because Dave on a consistent basis crushes reports. As of right now the community side of moderating is lacking but some fresh blood will hopefully assist in the community side of moderating. We're not all robots and I personally think some of us have found a nice balance when it comes to maintaining the forums.

 

And this is why you should not be an admin. All you ever do is give excuses. There are people. Plenty of people.

 

this is my point EXACTLY.

 

Agree. So having new sectionals, just as yourself is what should be done. Not making a new lesser rank for them, IMO.

There is nothing wrong with different types of people and their traits, i.e some who prefer modlogs to evaluate their moderating, some who like both (i,e you, Entrr), and some who prefer community involvement and a lesser extent of modlogs.

Roary said before, that modlogs can be achieved within 30 minutes - 1 hr. With that said, even if one wants to be more community orientated, finding 30mins spare is no big task. Thus, no need for a new group.

Ultimately, your decision. Whichever it is, I'm sure it will be a positive one.

 

And it is a non-point. There is more than four people qualified to be a sectional.

 

I take offence to this.

 

I apologize if this isn't exactly on point, but has the staff ever considered conducting Google hangout interviews with potential moderators? I feel as if you'd be able to learn a lot more about a person in a 30 minute interview compared to their text. Perhaps this could help boost up those staff numbers slightly.