X shadow not paying for my web development service

[Punch]

Hi all,

Scammer's profile link: X Shadow

Explain the service: X Shadow hired me to develop a website for his CSGO community, we agreed on a $300 price. This amount was agreed to be paid after completion of the service. (The service and amount was confirmed on discord as well in a Sythe pm) I developed this website for him in 2 days and he was very pleased with the results. After a full day of ignoring me on discord, he is making false claims about the code of the project being shit (he told me the back-end I created was shit and that another dev is currently re-creating the whole site I just delivered to him). A note to this back-end statement by him and the project in general: The site he wanted me to develop is so basic that this website doesn't require any back-end implementations, all his pages are just static content, I told him that in the future whenever he needs more advanced logic, a proper back-end system would've been implemented. This is only a $300 project. He is telling me nothing of the source code has been shared with this developer, but I delivered X Shadow the code earlier and guided him on how to setup the project on his local machine so this can't be guaranteed. The reason for sharing the code base with him and making him setup the project on his local machine was to give him the chance to edit the content parts of the website himself. This community website has to be in Danish so I let him fill in all the content.

Amount scammed: $300

Proof that it's their Discord:

Discord ID + Unique Discord ID: SE#2207 + 255413698468904961

Proof that the service was not completed: This service was completed with still some minor changes to be made like changing some styling of the homepage and adding a footer. Those are really minor changes to be made, takes like 20 minutes. Service was completed by 95%.

Other relevant trade screenshots:

X Shadow giving me all the information about what the website should be:

Agreement on price:

X Shadow saying he will pay me tomorrow:

X Shadow saying we will sort payment and that he is happy with the work:

X Shadow ignoring me and telling me that he got another dev to re-create the website:

Basically coming up with a bunch of false claims after this last picture. I can share a lot more of this if needed, just let me know.

Btw the site is live and running on his domain : eWarz.dk Community

Hope this still can be sorted.

Regards,
Punch

 

@X Shadow what's your side of the story?

 

[X Shadow]

@X Shadow what's your side of the story?

I'd like to reply privately to you, but i can't send you a PM.

 

[Punch]

I'd like to reply privately to you, but i can't send you a PM.

C'mon be a man, make a proper reply on this thread with your side of the story. I can't wait / don't wanna miss any of your false claims.

 

I'd like to reply privately to you, but i can't send you a PM.

we don't adjudicate things in private.. so feel free to post it here.. if it contains sensitive information (ids , irl names ) make a deleted post

 

[X Shadow]

we don't adjudicate things in private.. so feel free to post it here.. if it contains sensitive information (ids , irl names ) make a deleted post

I'd like to post it privately to you.

Yes it's correct that I hired him to do a web development project. He started coding and it all looked good. Then he put it on the website for live review and said its like 90% done. He wanted payment before continueing and as i said in the screenshots he posted, that I'd be paying him 09:00 AM in the morning, as it was 02:00AM night.

I woke up early that morning and my friend (Has education in software programming/engineering + web development) He took a look at the website on the domain and wanted a screenshot of some of the code as an example. He took a look and said that I'm getting screwed here. The code is not structured, messy, missing features, HTML5 tags missing and in general its just basic/amateur work. He re-created the site (NOTE: He does it without getting paid, so its not about him wanting to earn money) He did the whole thing the guy did in 3 days in just 1 day. He then showed that the other guys work (Punch) REQUIRES javascript from visiting people otherwise site isn't functional.

I explained all that to the other guy, yet he claimed i scammed and stole his code + gave it to my friend. I have screenshots of the conversation between me and him. No plagiarism, files or source code has been shared or uploaded.

<Removed by Pikachu>

 

@Punch and @X Shadow , does @X Shadow have a copy of the code?

and @X Shadow that post you made has no reason to be private besides one picture which I have removed, so I made it public

 

[X Shadow]

@Punch and @X Shadow , does @X Shadow have a copy of the code?

and @X Shadow that post you made has no reason to be private besides one picture which I have removed, so I made it public

I have an invitation link to the github where the source code is

 

[Punch]

@Pikachu Yes, he has a copy of the code. I invited him to my github repository after I deployed the website on his hosting. Then I told him how to get the source code on his local machine and explained on how to run the project so he could edit the content etc... After I noticed he wasn't going to pay me, I removed his access to the github repository but he has still a copy of the code on his local machine.

@X Shadow statements I have the following to say to that:

my friend (Has education in software programming/engineering + web development)

I'm not sure what kind of education he has but surely he has no experience when it comes down to working with Javascript frameworks. (Which if you do have an education in this field you surely should have some experience with frameworks like React.js, Angular.js, Vue.js) but anyway it's not about the developer really.

So the website is developed in React.js, Typescript and Ant.design (which is the same as bootstrap but more fit to be used in a Javascript framework).

REQUIRES javascript from visiting people otherwise site isn't functional

So as listed from above I used a Javascript framework as main technology, so obv the site will require javascript to work. I don't think you should mention this as a problem really. I informed you clearly that I was going to be using a Javascript based framework and c'mon man it's 2020.. move on with the technologies of the future...

The code is not structured, messy, missing features, HTML5 tags

I don't think there is anything wrong with the structure of the code. I'm not here to say the structure of my code is perfect but it is certainly not bad. As I asked you many times before to give me an example of bad structure or why the code is shit in general, you never gave me a good argument so that just proves my point that you and your developer have actually no clue.


Messy? Well you showed me a picture of your conversation with this so called developer with a screenshot of the content file of the project and he told you the code was messy.


Can this file you showed to your developer be considered as code? Not really if you ask me. The file you showed him was a JSON file filled with objects and arrays which consists of strings that represents the content of the website. I created this JSON file with the following reason only: To make it for you as a non-developer easy to edit content on your site. I wanted to avoid that you had to go in to the project files and search for the content.



I have no problem to admitting that the structure of this file can be improved but to say the work is amateur is just bullshit really. I'm well aware there are better options for content management but I'm not going to build a full CMS system for $300 dollars and there is nothing wrong with using a JSON file to store data.


Missing features? Besides the minor changes I still had to make I don't think there is anything missing.


HTML5 tags missing? Well again this just shows how you and the developer have no idea of how a Framework like React.js really works. I'm not here to give you a full tutorial on how to use React.js but telling I haven't used HTML5 tags is just FALSE.

React works with so called 'components' instead of plain HTML everywhere. This makes React so powerful, I can reuse components instead of duplicating plain HTML tags.

These components are represented in the code as Tags indeed, so if I had a component that consists of my full site-navigation I may call this component (NavBar) and use this component as a HTML tag like follows

<NavBar> </Navbar>

This is indeed not a valid HTML tag but the Framework knows there is underlying code within this component that consists of VALID HTML tags. I suggest you to checkout the React.js framework to get a full understanding.


Tbh I can clearly understand you have concerns about this but you should've came to me and ask me why there are HTML tags missing instead of 'hiring' this developer. Also I would've been fine for a code review by another web developer but not behind my back and btw It is not hard to make a copy of a website in 1 day if you have my code (html, css, etc...)

Anyway I'm still waiting on a valid argument to why my code is shit. You tried your best to break down my project but I think you really did a terrible job at it.

 

@Punch can you post from a home ip please?

 

[Punch]

@Pikachu I'm currently not staying at my home place. I will be returning home tomorrow and make a post on my home ip, no worries.

 

[Punch]

@Pikachu This post is from my home ip.

 

[X Shadow]

@Pikachu Can you solve this so I can participate back in the OSRS market.

 

@Pikachu Can you solve this so I can participate back in the OSRS market.

This is being discussed and I will get back to you shortly

 

[Punch]

@Pikachu I hope my DNT doesn’t influence the final decision. All the arguments I provided can be proved by my code. @X Shadow failed to deliver any valid or provable arguments.

 

Here are a few key points:

X shadow already has access to the code.

x shadow should have done research before purchasing hiring a developer. Whether that be by having them take a test or viewing code beforehand.

and finally, X shadow showed a segment of the code to your friend,

it's on x shadow to do research on the developer and their code quality before purchasing any services from them. (by looking at a portfolio, past work, etc)

Once you already have access to the code, which isn't your content to share as you hadn't purchased the product yet. so you violated copyright.

So we will be holding @X Shadow liable for 300$.

@Punch is also known as
Jockey
Daxss
Daxer

Jockey is liable for the cost to rent the account here: Jockey as we can't prove the gold was on the account due to lack of evidence.

The price of osrs:
April 2019 [Oldschool price] - $0.60/m - $0.70/m

which means the 5.2$ will be given to @swift fox but to keep things easier for the moment the money can be given to community repayment and @swift fox can private message a mod to claim it with a link to this post.

There also debt here: Check
after doing some market research with my trusty staff team, we have evaluated that price of max melee back then was 200$ and @Pain can claim this whenever he likes also as he has no debt.

@X Shadow can you please send 206.2$ to
Community repayment address:

1BVgFL9AXm6yV1fptq65HknvoUScsPaoHm

after doing so @X Shadow please send the remaining $94.8 to @Punch.

 

I have 3 months banned and DNT'd @X Shadow