Wrongfully Censored - Requesting second look

[ShipTheFlip]

Let me start by saying I'm typing this from my phone, my internet's been acting up all day, the day after I was sent my own IP address from another user, so I'm not able to go too in-depth.

I posted a review of a transaction I had with another user. Fairly long posts with screenshots included. Everything I posted was accurate, and I simply provided potential customers with information to look over before deciding if they want to do business with this person or not.

Today my posts were deleted with the response "if he scammed you post a report in the RaS section with proof."

Nowhere in any of my posts did I say he scamped me. I just recapped my two experiences doing business with this/these individual(s). Essentially the same thing as a vouch, but instead of telling people about a good experience I told them about a bad one (in detail, not a spam "DON'T TRADE THIS ASSHOLE" post). If we can leave vague good reviews (vouches) why can we not leave in-depth bad ones with evidence for people to look over themselves? I believe whichever staff member handled this rushed a decision without reading over everything, because there was no mention of scamming. I don't blame them at all, you guys do a lot if volunteer work, but @Sythe himself preaches free speech and I don't think my experience should be censored.

 

Should be like that yeah. Though at the end of the day wintastical, it's another post that will get buried which makes the users thread a tad bigger, which ends up helping them. No review is better than a bad one

 

[ShipTheFlip]

Should be like that yeah. Though at the end of the day wintastical, it's another post that will get buried which makes the users thread a tad bigger, which ends up helping them. No review is better than a bad one

I see your point there. I just think we should have the opportunity to spread awareness without being censored. I understand that there is a line, for example if I was scammed by an impostor and started spamming his thread saying he's a scammer, I'm in the wrong. But when I made direct contact with the user and his employees, screenshotted everything, and posted to his thread for people to interpret as they please, I think the posts should've been left alone despite him whining/bugging staff about it. It wouldn't do much at all, but if I can save at least one person from having to deal with the bullshit that I did, I'd consider it a victory despite the + postcount for their thread

 

I agree that we should allow free speech and if we have some constructive (preferrably not negative) we should be able to leave that for his customers to view. If you're speaking about the OGEdge case though your posts were reported alot of times and if the OP wants it removed we usually do so because eventually your post there was only causing a discussion between him and you which could've easily been taken to PM's. I did not delete the post though and I didn't focus myself on the situation.

 

I'm pretty sure this isn't a rule? You're allowed to leave negative feedback (if a transaction happened.)
It shouldn't of been deleted as long as you weren't insulting/calling the guy a scammer.

I'd post the vouch/feedback again imo.

 

[Pain]

I'm pretty sure this isn't a rule? You're allowed to leave negative feedback (if a transaction happened.)
It shouldn't of been deleted as long as you weren't insulting/calling the guy a scammer.

I'd post the vouch/feedback again imo.

Bad reviews/ sales trashing are traditionally deleted.

Falls under:
Flaming, Harassment, Trolling:

• Using excessive profanity, insults, or derogatory comments towards another user
• Partaking in behaviour intended to disturb or upset another user
• Deceiving members or staff for fun, humor, or to cause drama
• Posting purposely to anger or to elicit a negative response from others for fun, humor, or to cause drama

or:
Copyright Infringement: Posting direct links to files that infringe other's copyright is against the rules. However indirect links are not covered by this rule.


The first one is the more common reason, bad reviews definitely fall under derogatory comments, aswell as behavior to upset another user, also falls under posting to elicit a negative response from other users, its vague enough in terms of wording to more then qualify here imo.

The second one is more for sites where we have TOS's and things people agree to protect us from bad reviews & have them deleted, example being we have a term which doesn't allow rsgoldfund to be mentioned in a negative review except on site because I own the name.


Traditionally though sales trashing/bad reviews are removed from what I've always seen.

Bad reviews cause drama and frankly nobody(or very few) use them on this forum.

Not saying its right that their deleted/removed, but I understand why.

 

[tMoon]

Accusations of scamming without proof = deleted
Posting a negative trade experience = allowed

While this is the case, there has at times been miscommunication on what exactly constitutes negative feedback and I will update the official Sythe rules to add a clause under accusation of scamming that genuine negative feedback is allowed (for clarification purposes).

Sorry for the deletion!

 

[ShipTheFlip]

Bad reviews/ sales trashing are traditionally deleted.

Falls under:
Flaming, Harassment, Trolling:

• Using excessive profanity, insults, or derogatory comments towards another user
• Partaking in behaviour intended to disturb or upset another user
• Deceiving members or staff for fun, humor, or to cause drama
• Posting purposely to anger or to elicit a negative response from others for fun, humor, or to cause drama

or:
Copyright Infringement: Posting direct links to files that infringe other's copyright is against the rules. However indirect links are not covered by this rule.


The first one is the more common reason, bad reviews definitely fall under derogatory comments, aswell as behavior to upset another user, also falls under posting to elicit a negative response from other users, its vague enough in terms of wording to more then qualify here imo.

The second one is more for sites where we have TOS's and things people agree to protect us from bad reviews & have them deleted, example being we have a term which doesn't allow rsgoldfund to be mentioned in a negative review except on site because I own the name.


Traditionally though sales trashing/bad reviews are removed from what I've always seen.

Bad reviews cause drama and frankly nobody(or very few) use them on this forum.

Not saying its right that their deleted/removed, but I understand why.

A bad review does not fall under any of those. Besides the profanity rule, those very specifically point at intent being the determining factor. If I was posting to insult the user, my posts should be deleted. But posting an honest recap of a transaction with screenshots as proof is not trolling, flaming, etc. It's me informing potential future customers of the hassle they'll have dealing with the OP.

It's ridiculous to have a TOS stating that no one can leave honest negative feedback about you and the positive feedback left for your site shouldn't be taken seriously because of it.

I'm pretty sure this isn't a rule? You're allowed to leave negative feedback (if a transaction happened.)
It shouldn't of been deleted as long as you weren't insulting/calling the guy a scammer.

I'd post the vouch/feedback again imo.

That's what I thought. I never called the guy a scammer or insulted him, just posted evidence and a description of the transaction to show people how unprofessional and rude the user is. It's probably been too long to post again now, and I didn't save the screenshots/original post, but I didn't wanna get infracted for posting the same thing that was previously deleted.

Accusations of scamming without proof = deleted
Posting a negative trade experience = allowed

While this is the case, there has at times been miscommunication on what exactly constitutes negative feedback and I will update the official Sythe rules to add a clause under accusation of scamming that genuine negative feedback is allowed (for clarification purposes).

Sorry for the deletion!

Thank you! I figured it was just a mistake by a mod who was in a hurry. Glad it's been cleared up and the rules edited.

If you want you can close this now. I'm significantly less angry about the horrible experience I had with the user now than I was at the time, lol.

 

[tMoon]

Rules have been updated and thread has been closed