Word definitions and the problem with modern english

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Word definitions and the problem with modern english
  1. Unread #1 - Apr 22, 2008 at 7:32 AM
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    Today we have a serious problem with word definitions. Most of the words we frequently use to refer to ideas in politics, religion, and philosophy seem to have no definite meaning. Ambiguity is ripe between all debaters on all topics from all disciplines, even those of science. Even dictionaries provide multiple definitions for commonly used terms.

    In this sense english has really failed us as a language. But in that same thought, it is important to note that this quite possibly would have happened with any language. The fact is we (humans) seem to have a lossy translation from thought to word, and from word back to thought.

    So given this insight, the problem is really a matter of language compression. Attempting to cram too many concepts into a single word or word group. Logically it follows that the solution is to use uncompressed language, but this itself introduces new problems. Most people are too busy or have too short an attention span to cope with verbosely overstated concepts. And so, we must find another solution.

    One solution is careful context. The definition in use, of a word, is derived through the context in which the word is used. But often this still leaves a large margin for misunderstanding, and, if the opponent of the debate does not debate these particular definition gaps, then he cannot be certain that his understanding of the concepts employed by the other are correct.

    So I put this out there:
    What is a better way to express emphasized meaning in words, word groups, and terms, without being explicitly verbose or contextually precise?

    Further, to illustrate my point, I want everyone who reads this thread to reply with their understanding of the definitions of the following words. (Don't use a dictionary.)


    Liberalism
    Anarchism
    Capitalism
    Philosophy
    Ideology
    Theology
    Atheism
    Agnosticism
    Republic
    Republican
    Democracy
    Social Democracy
    Right wing
    Left wing
    Socialism
    Communism
    Money
    Power
    Greed
    Selfishness
    Virtue
    Vice
    Production
    Ownership
    Control
     
  3. Unread #2 - Apr 22, 2008 at 8:29 AM
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    Ok. This should be fun too get incorrect.


    Liberalism - An economy that relies primarily on the free-market.

    Anarchism
    - It basically a political philosophy of those who believe that a society based on shared ownership agreements among individuals.

    Capitalism - An economic 'system' in which owners can vastly increase because they own the means of production.

    Philosophy - The study of truths/facts of reality.

    Ideology - Eh... to favor one point of view above all others and to adhere to this point of view.

    Theology - The rational (as it can be) of systematic study of religion and its influences, nature and truth.

    Atheism - The dis-belief of gods existence.

    Agnosticism - The mental attitude denying the possibility of the real knowledge of truth.

    Republic - This is a political system in which the supreme power of citizens who can elect some to represent for them.

    Republican - A member of a republican party.

    Democracy - A government by the people, through free and frequent elections.

    Social Democracy - Believing in a change from capitalism to socialism.

    Right wing - A group that supports the existing social and/or political order.

    Left wing -A group that does not follow traditional ways.

    Socialism - A system which is based on public ownership(s) of the means of production.

    Communism - An economic and/or political system in which all property is publicly owned and each person is paid and works according to his or her requirements and abilities.

    Money - Physical wealth.

    Power - Having an influence, physical and mental strength - Perhaps leadership of others. Practically such as you Richy.

    Greed - The desire to have more, sort-of related to corruption.

    Selfishness - Concern of one's own interests, being concerned with yourself.

    Virtue - Work of goodness quality such as; donating too cause.

    Vice - Not sure which term of vice is to be defined.

    Production - Producing products.

    Ownership - Having and controlling certain property.

    Control - When someone dominates a person/item etcetera.

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    Sorry if I'm extremely wrong and there's spelling/grammar mis-takes, tired ever though its 1:30pm here.
     
  5. Unread #3 - Apr 22, 2008 at 9:28 AM
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    Yes, the english language has broken down upon us and yes... this really would have happened with any other language. It is jsut what happens when a language begins to get universally used. It is like the game telephone, the original meaning is changed and changed until it is lost. So really, we lost all original meanings.

    Sory about not defining, i'll edit later, just have no time right now sorry.
     
  7. Unread #4 - Apr 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    The way I generally do it in a debate is to provide a brief definition of the word as I will be using it. I can't think of a way to express what you mean other than to define it, and to get people more used to going by a common definition.

    Liberalism - An ideology that holds liberty as its central tenet (free individuals, free market, etc.).

    Anarchism - The absence of an official ruling power.

    Capitalism - An economic situation where all are free to trade, invest, etc. as they please. In short, a completely free market.

    Philosophy - A system of beliefs regarding what is, how we know it is, etc. Also applies to different things such as religion, technology, etc.

    Ideology - A belief that an individual or group has.

    Theology - The study of religions and the reasoning behind them.

    Atheism - A lack of belief in any deity.

    Agnosticism - The belief that the existence of a deity is unknowable.

    Republic - A representative democracy, but one where the rights of the minority are protected.

    Republican - One who tends to oppose government intervention in economic affairs, and supports it in social affairs (at least in the U.S.).

    Democracy - A group where everybody has a vote in what the group does. The rights of minorities are not inherently protected.

    Social Democracy - A democracy where wealth is shared among all.

    Right wing - Usually those who support the existing social order.

    Left wing - Those who are liberal/radical regarding the existing social order. Sometimes support government interference to achieve their goals.

    Socialism - Collective ownership of all property/wealth by all.

    Communism - Same as socialism, but without any form of market.

    Money - Tokens used to represent wealth.

    Power - The ability to coerce others against their will.

    Greed - The desire to gain something, usually wealth.

    Selfishness - The state of being self-interested, of looking out for yourself.

    Virtue - A characteristic which is positive (generosity, politeness, good work ethic, etc.).

    Vice - A characteristic which is negative (laziness, dishonesty, etc.)

    Production - The ability to produce/create something.

    Ownership - The right to control over something.

    Control - Authority held over something.
     
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    Liberalism - Where the country won't meddle with a persons life (except taxes) however it won't help him if he needs money or something of the sort
    Anarchism - No idea maybe total destruction?
    Capitalism - Dont really remember, something like only the government matters or something
    Philosophy - Doubt everything
    Ideology - Idea of a certain <>
    Theology - #
    Atheism - Unbelief in God
    Agnosticism - No belief in God,but no denial that he doesn't exists
    Republic - Redneckism
    Republican - Redneck
    Democracy - The leadership is decided by the people
    Social Democracy - Seems perfect but its not
    Right wing - Kill Kill Kill
    Left wing - Hippies
    Socialism - #
    Communism - Everyones equal, a bum and a hard worker will get treated fairly (also rewarded equally)
    Money - Power
    Power - Money
    Greed - Power and Money
    Selfishness - Only me
    Virtue - #
    Vice - Second
    Production - #
    Ownership - Mine
    Control - I can do whatever I wish with it
     
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    What exactly is the problem? I think the problem is people not having a generalize knowing of what the words mean, not too many definitions for one word. If everyone has a general idea of what all the words you provided meant, we'd be much better off.
     
  13. Unread #7 - Apr 22, 2008 at 9:37 PM
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    Sythe, this is great and all, but it's obvious that people are just going to make an attempt to look like they have some level of intellect and just use a dictionary to define the terms.
     
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    Yes Brandeis, but it is kind of obvious when a person uses a dictionary because everyone knows the dictionary meaning of the political terms. It all comes down to if they really believe in that statement. If they can support the definition then fine, but i think Sythe is trying to show how the language has changed and how the meanings are changing.

    Just assuming, but i think
     
  17. Unread #9 - Apr 22, 2008 at 9:47 PM
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    Well, a member could easily twist the definition a bit and create a definition comprised of many different definitions throughout the web. There really isn't a way to tell if the actually know what the words mean, but I'd say about 1-3% of Sythe could actually give a logical explanation of each word, possibly less.
     
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    This is going to be ugly...


    Liberalism: political idealogy related to change
    Anarchism: No formal government, not a necessarily negative word.
    Capitalism: a political system based on freedoms and the creativity of man
    Philosophy: thinking about everything using logic
    Ideology: An idea which many people base their beliefs
    Theology: Relating to religion; the study of religion, practicing religion
    Atheism: Without god.
    Agnosticism: Sees no reason for there to be a higher power, or is not sure.
    Republic: A system of government where the people vote for representatives who vote on different issues.

    Republican: Political party.
    Democracy: Every single person votes on every single issue. Every voice can be heard, if you can hear it from the sea of other voices.

    Social Democracy: No idea, will look it up later.
    Right wing: Conservative side of things, likes to keep things the way they are now.

    Left wing: More open to change, though many candidates are often mislabeled with this term.

    Socialism: A political idealogy that wealth should be redistributed to the working classes.

    Communism: A political system where everybody is equal, there is no private property, all businesses are run by the state.

    Money: anything that has a function to operate as a medium for exchange. It SHOULD be backed up with something that has a real value. (as opposed to fiat money which only has value if the government continues to collect taxes)

    Power: Ability to make your own decisions, and/or decisions for others.

    Greed: Taking more than you need.

    Selfishness: See greed i guess...

    Virtue: having good morals

    Vice: I think it is the opposite of virtue...not sure though


    e: and /\/\OO please I hope you were kidding for some of those.
     
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    Brandeis: I don't think anyone cares -QUITE- enough to go through that much trouble to make people thing they are smart.

    Sythe: I very much like the way you explained your theory. I tend to think like a programmer, in the sense that every thought I have is processed in a manner similar to that of a computer processing code given to it. The way you use terms like "compressing the language" for example as opposed to "making a few words into one" or something like that, really related to me.
    I liked it

    Liberalism - A political belief that the government should not be able to control things that only affect the person making the decision.
    Anarchism - A political stance generally against the government, period.
    Theology - The study of religion
    Atheism - A religious group that does not believe in any kind of god
    Agnosticism - A religious group that either has no religious beliefs, or has too various of beliefs to be classified as any other religious group.
    Democracy - A form of government in which decisions are made by multiple people.
    Right wing - Second hand in the process of decision-making
    Money - The sole determining factor of what a person can and cannot do
    Power - A direct result of how much money a person has
    Greed - Wanting more than you need
    Selfishness - Caring mainly about one's self
    Virtue - A positive feature about a person
    Vice - A negative feature about a person
    Production - The act of getting something done
    Ownership - What one has when they own something
    Control - The ability to determine the outcome of something
     
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    Word definitions and the problem with modern english

    My English grammar are quite well, but since it's not my first language, I'll try answering it in my own words

    Liberalism -
    Anarchism - ideology of not being controled by a goverment
    Capitalism - political system, it's main goal is making money
    Philosophy - questions of life
    Ideology - view on how life/other things should be
    Theology - religion
    Atheism - not believing in a god
    Agnosticism - X
    Republic - X
    Republican - X
    Democracy - political system where the people can decide
    Social Democracy - X
    Right wing -
    Left wing -
    Socialism - ideology that everybody is equal
    Communism - Political system, they say everything must be controlled by the goverment and everybody should be treated equal, including equal paychecks
    Money - an item that represents a value
    Power - The ability to control others
    Greed - Wanting more than you actually need, not sharing with others.
    Selfishness - Only thinking about your own interests
    Virtue - X
    Vice - X
    Production - Combining several production factors in order to add value to a good
    Ownership - being the rightful owner of an item
    Control - being able to change or manipulate things

    EDIT, second try, ill make my new answers bold
     
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    I'm out of this cuz I'm suck at english but here in my language , Arabic , The language is changed 100% and if u took with someone in original Arabic he won't understand most of words . So , I think this happening all over the world and its natural anyway .
     
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    Liberalism - Generally a scale between freedom and authoritarianism
    Anarchism - The lack of a government/state
    Capitalism - A society revolving around the concept of wealth as power
    Philosophy - A study of unscientific questions
    Ideology - A belief system
    Theology - Study of matters pertaining to God
    Atheism - Lack of a belief in God
    Agnosticism - Lack of conviction of belief over the existence of God
    Republic - A variant of democracy where, instead of the people voting directly, they vote via a representative, chosen through election
    Republican - Not a word, an American political label
    Democracy - A system of government where the people directly govern themselves through will of the majority
    Social Democracy - Meaningless. Literally, meaningless. This is possibly the most ill-conceived label of all time. It literally means absolutely nothing more than Democracy with society.
    Right wing - Pro-big government
    Left wing - Anti-big government
    Socialism - Watered-down Communism
    Communism - An idea that all property is owned equally by everyone
    Money - A note of credit from a government
    Power - The measurement of the ability to coerce
    Greed - A desire for objects beyond your needs
    Selfishness - The desire to benefit self
    Virtue - A morally correct aspect
    Vice - A morally incorrect desire
    Production - Context needed
    Ownership - The concept that a person has right to do as he will with any object he "owns"
    Control - The ability to direct that which one has control over


    Most of these terms are incredibly vague, some are emotionally charged (People think selfishness is bad, morality is absolute etc., I've deliberately made no comment on that), and a lot of them, like Social Democracy, mean absolutely nothing except when charged by a reactionary anti-conformist nut to justify his own beliefs that his middle-class privileged upbringing would happen if there were no government to protect him from the stronger malicious elements of the world.

    I mean, seriously, Social Democracy? Democracy with society? Wow, what a fucking novel concept.
     
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    People are getting lazier, not using the right words in the right places, the internet is a major contributor to the problem.

    Liberalism - some type of government
    Anarchism burning something
    Capitalism some kind of punishment
    Philosophy expanding thinking etc.
    Ideology No idea,
    Theology some kind of ancient thing
    Atheism Lack of belief
    Agnosticism belief in something
    Republic unnity ruled by one.
    Republican dunno
    Democracy We must vote?
    Social Democracy dunno
    Right wing
    Left wing
    Socialism
    Communism all the same
    Money value
    Power electricity
    Greed wanting something you dont have
    Selfishness not sharing
    Virtue dunno
    Vice dunno
    Production producing something
    Ownership own something
    Control used to operate.


    Bad Vocab
     
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    I attempted to do this without a dictionary and I realized I need to read a few books and start to remember what I learned in history.
     
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