Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

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Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed
  1. Unread #21 - Feb 7, 2008 at 12:58 AM
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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    "What a typical idiot communist you are. Learn the english definitions you moron; You are pathetic. How dare you talk down to me as though you are superior in some way. I have a good mind to ban you from this establishment."

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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    Thats quite enough. This is the debating section. Obviously you can neither understand the concept of debating nor engage in it. All you seem to be able to do is laugh like the idiot you are. Undoubtedly you are angry for some reason. Maybe you are too stupid to avoid credit card scams and have gotten yourself into debt.

    Whatever the reason for your stupidity and choice of ideology, I suggest you consider that the world was here first and owes you nothing. I owe you nothing; nobody anywhere owes you anything. You are nothing more and nothing less than a waste of people's time and energy. A giggling communist with no understanding of the world, and no desire to understand it. Someone so sure he is right, but is in actual fact so wrong. Someone who is so incredibly deluded by his own mixed analogies and self contradictory logic that there is no capacity for correction, no capacity to learn the truth.

    You are banned.
    Good day sir.
     
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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    Let us wander back over to the topic at hand...

    I'm inclined to agree with your assessment of the various -isms.

    However...I simply cannot imagine such a transition taking place in my lifetime.
     
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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    Like everything of this scale it is not easy to grasp.

    I am confident a libertarian society would be much like current society except people would be happier. Brands of products would return to their old fashioned sort of brown paper labels. There would be hugely more competition, in every market. Small businesses like grocery stores would pop up everywhere. Insurance companies would have a blast -- they would need to fill the void of state enforced zoning and other such things.

    There would be many more banks; each would issue money in its own notes, and the notes of other, respectable, banks, or in precious metals. Plastic cards would still exists, but there would be a greater selection.

    Private courts would spring up. Many many new and brilliant education facilities would arise, with competitive pricing giving far far superior education for only a fraction of what you currently pay.

    The airwaves would be liberated -- you would see probably 50 or 100 free to air tv stations and radio stations spring up in every city.

    People would be layed off in droves -- those who currently do not pull their weight. And they would be forced to get educated and make something of themselves before they'd achieve the standard of living they were used to once more. Skilled people would never be out of work; and if they were they could self employ.

    Petrol would be half the price it is now; no fuel tax. Private road companies would start upgrading the roads and charging people to drive on them. (Presumably they would have had to buy the assets during the unforming of government.) Traffic jams would cease to be a problem -- those who need to use the road most at peak hour are happy to pay a premium. Those who don't need to use it or can't afford it use it when its not busy would use it off peak and work different hours.

    Doctors would make housecalls once more. Drugs would no longer be illegal and thus contracts between suppliers could be properly enforced by private courts -- this means no more organized crime from the drug market.

    Private security companies would spring up. Streets and suburbs containing expensive houses and property would hire private security at free market prices to keep an eye on their property and their streets. The property owners retain the right to kick criminals out of their suburb (as they own the streets of their suburb presumably.)

    Water shortages would be a thing of the past. You could use as much as you pleased as long as you were willing to pay. The demand would create supply -- companies would ship water in from water rich nations like canada, or desalinize sea water.

    Trades people would be easy to get in contact with, be polite, and charge affordable amounts as they would not need to be licensed.

    Just plenty of really great stuff. People getting along, industry self regulating, decent standards of education, good quality health care, wealth creation, businesses springing up, innovation going on, new technology, new ideas, new money, and the freedom to make the most of all of it!
     
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    As far as competition breeding excellence, I can point out a few examples in the current world.

    For example, at one point the government - run water company was ousted in favor of a private company. (http://www.centredaily.com/business/story/367895.html)

    The result was better service and general overall higher quality. The change was that the private company, unlike the government subsidiary, had competition. If the company performed badly, it would be removed. It's in the company's best interests to perform well.

    Another example would be charter schools.

    Since they are not a part of a pseudo-governmental industry (IE: School District) they are free to do as they please. Also, since they aren't in the school district, the charter schools have to build a reputation to get business.
     
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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    freedom is good but i guess a misunderstood freedom should lead to anarchy and that is as bad as communism


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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    In theory communism and socialism work very well, however to have either of these work well you need a really good leader, which not often happens. Democracy is good in making sure nothing gets to bad, but in theory communism and socialism is better, you jsut need a damn good leader to pull it off.
     
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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    well im telling u i live in a country whit a socialist system and things can be worse economy is bad, health is bad social justice is bad, freedom is bad everything is bad now
    u know whats our president last tougth "Being rich is bad"
    lol quite funny cuz now the people with the president are waaaaaay richer and normal people are poorer
     
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    Why Socialism (and Communism) Fails and why our society is being destroyed

    No, you are wrong.

    It's not better 'in theory'; It is a contradiction in theory, and a huge failure in practice. This is just tripe you have been taught in your socialized schools. Learn to critically think.

    Read the orginial post again please.
     
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    Communism is not built entirely on equality... communism is built on a similar premise as the sermon on the mount... you know - from each according to their capability to each according to their needs... all that... communism is more about seeing a self-interest in group survival and prosperity and, actually , communism (also known as scientific socialism) is a system that is very flexible...

    as lenin laid it out, there were very definite stages for gradating leadership... from a 'dictatorship of the proletariat' to a truly democratic system (one not run by big money like our 'democracy' in the u.s.)...
     
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    Ideologically communism tries to make people equal; force them to be equal. As I have already stated the actual theory of communism is a syllogistic contradiction, and in practice is fails miserably to the point people have to eat other people to stay alive.

    If you are stupid enough to believe communism would work and is quote 'flexible' despite the syllogistic and history evidence before you, then I suggest you talk to someone who has lived in a communist country and see if they think its so great!

    What you don't understand is that the self-interest 'of the group' lies with the self interest of all its members. Without freedom to pursue individual self-interest goals the group falls into chaos; no one does anything, no one creates wealth.

    It is only freedom --capitalism which can save humans from slipping back into the dark ages. It was flavours of liberal capitalism which brought about the industrial revolution and the computer age. It is capitalism which has brought us space flight and fiberoptic communications. It is capitalism which is responsible for bringing you an 80 year lifespan. All these things, and many more, are the virtues of capitalism. And you think its 'evil'!?

    The progress of society and technology is dependent upon the freedom of its constituents. The least free nations in the world are the poorest and develop the least new technology. The free-est nations develop the most technology and are the wealthiest. This has been true throughout history. How can you deny such a blatantly obvious fact.
     
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    I have to give you credit, you argue your point very well. Honestly, I'm not a fan of communism in any form. Just thought I'd try to spark a little discussion.
     
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    Yes, "in theory" it is better. It ensures that nobody is poor or unemployed, it ensures that no one lives in poverty and that everyone has a well paying job. However, you need a good leader to make this happen and it's often because of the leaders that communist and socialism countries become so bad.
     
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    How does it ensure those things 'in theory' when the theory itself is a contradiction. Your argument is invalid.
     
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    I dont get it either, sythes right the source is invalid :confused:
     
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    well sythe if you could free one country from communism what country would you free? what country could help the world the most if it wasnt under communist rule?
     
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    Its not really about helping the world, its about helping the people in the country. But free trade does inevitably benefit everyone.

    The reason sweatshops exist is government corruption. In the free market human labour is bid up by competition; If it is so cheap to hire labour in India then why doesn't everyone hire labour there? (Thus bidding up the price until it is no longer cheap.) The answer is: to get a business license in India you have to jump through ten years of red tape hoops and bribe so many corrupt government officials, that only multinational corporations can afford to get into the market place.

    So to answer your question: government is the main problem, communism forces government to be very large, and, therefore, people to be even poorer; This in mind, I'd give China over to the free market, as it is the last large communist state / human meat grinder.

    Most of the third world would become first world in a matter of half a century if they were freed of government corruption and civil war tomorrow. Its not like they are cut off from us; They all have internet -- Information gets around. Capitalism would take off like a rocket; they'd all have industrial revolutions simultaneously.
     
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    I read The Stateless Society, and I can really see how a nation with no government could work. I agree with your idea's, but There are some things which I don't see how they'ed would work.
    How would we enforce criminals? Prisons, police force, how would they be funded?
    Public schools would no longer exist, What about the poor people who can't afford private? Can we just forget about them?
     
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    communism would only work in a very small community. Like 15 pplz.
     
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    What's so wrong about Ron Paul? Alot of what he says and claims is well-justified. I don't see him as a radical at all. What I believe is destroying our society today, is close-mindedness people (such as you), abuse of power and scandals within the governments, and injustice. Under communism, how could everyone own everything together, including each other? I think it's the government who would overall be the ownership of that communist society. Under communism, most people would be poor and work under the government's terms, it would keep individuals from fulfilling their goals and dreams, you can't own anything. Nobody could really be considered "successful" then because every worker in the state would be poor.
     
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