Why are you allowed to vouch someone you TRADED with?

How come when you go FIRST, during a transaction, the person you're trading with, vouches for you?

I understand things like buying/selling with paypal, maybe you can leave them a vouch cause they didn't charge back.

But things like swapping money? Or only in-game related trades, in which one user isn't being trusted at ALL?
Aren't vouches supposed to prove your legitimacy?

Someone going first in a trade doesn't prove anything..

I think this is really stupid.

What if someone were to start buying LOADS of stuff from different people while going first and requesting vouches after each trade.

They could end up at 100 vouches for just trading stuff, and start scamming loads.
Let's be real, when people trade with you they're not going to actually read each and every vouch. Most of us just look at the number and think, "yeah he's pretty trusted."

I think you should ONLY be allowed to vouch for someone if he was trusted in one way or another in a certain trade.

Thoughts?

 

A trade requires a minimum of two people. To say that one person is more deserving of the vouch than the other is true, but the willingness of the first sender alone should qualify as being cooperative during a trade, which is a marketing skill that is sought after.

It's also too late to start enforcing this. It would require too much moderation.

Regarding the 100 vouches part, that is not allowed if the trading of each item is nearly simultaneous/one session.

 

So what if he's being cooperative? When people think of "vouches." they think, he's trusted by that certain person who vouched for him, not that he's good at doing business.

But, I guess you're right about it being too late to enforce this.

 

You also trust that they can/will cooperate with you during the trade.

On other market websites, the feedback system takes that into account, and which is why both the sender and receiver are credited.

I will agree with you that one holds more weight than the other.

 

Something should be done to show that.

 

Vouches can be visibly accessed by anyone. If anybody is really that interested, or critical about the person they're trading with, that information is available.

 

On another offsite forum, they introduced a requirement that everyone should state who went first in the vouch in order to combat this kind of situations.

 

I think I'll throw in on here that trading bonds is pretty much meaningless when it comes to a vouch just like vouching the player who went first in a trade. It's no more than a few dollars/mill and requires absolutely no effort to do, yet they get a vouch for it. GP swapping is different since large trades do show that someone is here to do legitimate business but something like a 1m 07 trust? That's nothing. A torso order can take 2-6 hours & a questing order can take multiple days, but only gives 1 vouch.

And the sad thing is that people do that at a rate which provides no profit/loss just to farm vouches, before entering the larger market.

 

Perhaps the minimum for which someone can vouch should be raised to like 5M 07?

 

^ Which would make sense. Also if the trade took at least an hour of work from one person a vouch under 5m would also be fair. I feel like bond trading is a bigger issue atm and if they're addressed, you may as well address them both together.

 

I guess that's a good point. But the amount someone would trust you with will always vary for person to person. Some people trust easily, other's don't. So I don't know if you should add a minimum limit to vouches

I just find it stupid to vouch someone who you didn't even trust.

 

There is a lot more to a trade than it's completion. A vouch doesn't always just cover the completion; there are other factors we vouch for: communication with the other party, were they willing to go the extra mile to help you out, did they answer all your questions, were their prices competitive, was the item or service of good quality.. and so on.

It's the buyers job to look at the vouches and determine the value of them and decide whether they trust them or not.

I did a bit about those here:

http://www.sythe.org/sythe-org-supp...sythe-org-newcomer-introduction-tutorial.html

It would be near impossible to police each vouch - do your own background check.

 

I get that and all but, how many new people just looking to purchase some stuff in a rush, will actually go through those newcomer threads
Or how many of them will actually read through the vouches?
As long as the quantity's great, they cba.

I know that's their own problem, but there has to be another way to keep everyone aware that the quantity of vouches don't always mean you're not gonna get scammed. I'm not saying look through each and every vouch, maybe add a new rule.

IMO, if something like this was done,

the scam rate would drop significantly.

 

Can you go count how many vouches are left in a day and then let me know how long it'd take to check each one/find out who went first?

If you rush the process it's your own fault.

 

You should check out the other party's vouches if you're engaged in a trade with them; you can determine for yourself how much their vouches mean. If they have 100 small swapping vouches, they're probably not as trustworthy as if they've done 100 high-value account MMs (but that's just my opinion). Quality > quantity. Oh, and if you impose a minimum-for-vouch limit, we'll see an awful lot of 5m 07 (or whatever the cutoff is) trades. That's silly. Let people leave feedback however they see fit - you can interpret it for yourself.

 

Well obviously it is, but there should be something to AWARE the members.

That's like saying we shouldn't put up warning signs, because it'd be people's own faults.

 

A sticky in the vouches forum, or?

 

That could work, tbh.

it's better than nothing

 

*Forgot to quote the sticky post as well but here goes*

On Sythe, introducing it as a pure requirement won't work.
However, if you make it a guideline, and people are aware of it, it will most likely be done more often.

 

This would be too tough to police/enforce.

If you're trading with someone, you usually check their vouches to see what they've dealt with, etc. You're not gonna go first to someone that has just bought big amounts of gold w/o going first. That's just common sense.

It's to the discretion of the buyer/seller to decide who's going first and it's not necessarily based off of vouch number.

With a vouch to the buyer/person that didn't do anything, it's a vouch to show they are easy to work with or would be willing to do business with them in the future.