Who's going to get me buff?

mind writing me up a meal /work out plan.

 

Yeah thats my opinion on it as well, although you gotta respect the fact that steroids do reward you more for what you put in. As to whether or not you think the benefits outweight the risks is merely a personal decision.

If you wanna look composed in photoshop & a specimen of the superior male physique, you know what you have to do

 

lol no mate, i know plenty of people who work out 3 hours a day everday who do not use steroids and are in greater shape then people who take steroids and sit on there asses expecting the roids to jack them up.

 

Ya man I could help hit me up on sythe or Skype

 

Steroids do help a major amount I won't lie and I agree the benefits are given quickly and dramatically yes in a week you will see Strength increases and stamina maybe even more confidence at the gym not so much physique wise so early but in the long term it can be a disaster if you don't follow thoroughly I wouldn't advise it and if you are considering using them do a vast amount of research and Again I've seen people and met people who have went all natty even without the use of supplements and have Greek god physiques

 

Oh I don't disagree with that. The average steroid user doesn't look like he's on steroids. A natural who has good knowledge of dieting + training vs. a steroid user who is lazy, no knowledge on dieting = natty looking better. Take a steroid user who knows how to properly diet and train and he will eat the natural alive and leave him a million miles behind.

With that being said, theres no way you can look composed in photoshop, have that hard dry grainy paper thin skin look, and be at the same level as the person I posted previously whilst being natural. This isn't to argue that you can't look good or achieve a solid physique naturally.

Source: 5 years of training

And btw, heres what I mean by hard & grainy with paper thin skin:

 

You still have to work out a good amount on roids sometimes even harder to help compensate for all the hormones

 

That's matt ogus as far as I can tell he is not a steroid user semi natty his physique is great not sure what you mean by grainy paper look

 

I don't disagree with you at all. I've been researching on safe AAS use for the past 4 1/2 months and it does pose a lot of health risks, especially if you're not on top of your health game (getting regular blood work done, etc). There is just that look that you can't achieve without steroids though. Again, not saying that you can't achieve a solid physique without steroids, but its definitely far from what you can achieve on them.

 

Oh bro he's definitely on steroids, he's another fake natural.

3D delts and over developed traps are a huge sign of steroid use, as most of the body's androgen receptors are located on the deltoids and upper trap muscles.

His muscles look FULL and HARD even at sub 9% bodyfat, which isn't possible as a natural. As a natty, you will look flat and deflated when you go below a certain bodyfat percentage, heres a picture of what a natural looks like, and try to notice the difference in muscle fullness.



I've been following the fitness community for a long time now, theres just no way matt ogus is natty. I suggest checking out reddit/r/nattyorjuice to give you a clear idea of what naturals really look like, as I once thought people with the physiques of Jeff Seid and Matt Ogus were attainable naturally as well.

 

I get you man at the end of the day it all depends on the person and his goals on body

 

Yeah I see well what do you think about ct fletcher he's a beast probably did roids but at the same time it doesn't matter he commands those mothers to grow

 

CT fletcher is on steroids as well. People seem to think that if you don't look like a oversized human from another planet that you aren't on steroids, but in reality, the results you get on steroids are largely dose and compound dependent. "Fake natties" on youtube are usually on low dose cycles, or on very few amounts of compounds at a time. Some only use Test, others mix in tren (like ogus) and other compounds.

 

Yeah I see what you mean Guess I'm slacking on my fitness lol

 

Nah bro its totally normal Over time you'll find out, when you hit your 3rd 4th and 5th year of training how much work it takes to add muscle after nooby gains. At that point your physique is mature and developed enough to see whats attainable naturally and what isn't. You should research into steroids as well dude, not because you're ever going to use it, but just so that you have a clear understanding and be able to set realistic expectations for your body.

 

Yeah possibly I been working out for two plus years and have made incredible results don't plan on using roids any time soon

 

I think the fake natties on youtube are on TRT, especially the older guys and they just cruise and blast with it meaning they hit it hard for 3 months with the testosterone (high dosage) and they come off, do no PCT, just cruising on probably 250mg a week and then blast some more test after a couple months. Id love to try tren but I am too scared of the side effects. But yeah, the fake natty industry is booming and people have no idea anymore what you can achieve naturally, in most cases it's nothing great compared to what they are achieving on steroids, even if you have reached your natural limit someone who is on steroids will look way better even if they are the same size as you as they will be more ripped theres just no way to compete with these powerful hormones. I myself did a test cycle and I put on 40 lbs, I am last week into PCT and I am only down 4 lbs. Lifts are still strong and aiming for a 310 bench by the end of January 2017.

 

Yeah I know what blasting and cruising is, but I highly doubt some of these guys are on test alone. Look at people like Jeff Seid, Alon Gabbay, and Matt Ogus, its clear that they're on more shit than just test. Eventually your body builds a tolerance to test (or any other steroid) and you make less and less gains. You probably know that test only cycles are really what people do on their first cycle of steroids, and eventually they add different compounds in. Again, I highly doubt that they're on Test alone, but its possible that they cruise on it while they're off the stronger compounds.

 

I do agree with you on this, a lot of people fail to see this, I get so pissed when Jeff seid made a video about steroid usage and he was just full of shit like the rest, I realize it would most likely ruin their sponsorship contracts or something, however I dont appreciate being lied to, just don't buy their bullshit supplements they sell or support them in any way. Who knows what compounds they are on, matt bogus is probably on 800mg of tren per week as a cruise dose lmao. I wonder what Jeff seid used to get in shape for his last show that won, He also said he trains TWICE A DAY while being natural, your body wouldnt have enough time to recover no matter how much you sleep or eat, my best bet would be test prop and winstrol.

 

The grind is the biggest thing for you mate, you gotta be self motivated.