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  1. Unread #721 - Dec 15, 2019 at 11:59 PM
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    Re: Regarding the right to vanish

    I feel like this should extend to scam forum posts a user makes against themselves. The obvious example right now is Bert / GP Casino Dispute which states obvious wrongdoing by OP. If Bert had reported Shin, the post would remain unhidden; why should the post be treated any differently simply because Shin wrote the OP?

    Regardless of the report's outcome, I feel like the OP of this thread should be unhidden. Otherwise you leave room for a loophole where wrongdoers report themselves, pay back whatever debts exist, and edit their threads such that non-staff can't see what happened in retrospect.
     
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  3. Unread #722 - Dec 16, 2019 at 12:46 AM
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    Users have always had the ability to edit out there own scam reports even after it has been locked if the situation has been resolved. It shouldn’t change just because this case is more high profile.

    I strongly oppose this because it just gives less freedom to regular users which I can never support.
     
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  5. Unread #723 - Dec 16, 2019 at 1:49 AM
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    1) I'm pretty sure we only used to edit titles to say things like "resolved" without editing the contents of the threads. If that's changed in the last few years then I'm uninformed. There's also a distinction to be made between someone mistakenly reporting a user and that user (not mistakenly) making a thread saying they did something wrong.
    2) Has this case been resolved though? (I'm only using that report as an example because it's recent and salient; I mean for the suggestion to apply more broadly)

    I get your point that people should be able to edit their posts, and I agree with it. But I also feel like the rule's protections should end when those posts are self-reported RASC threads that affect other users. To your point about giving less freedom to users, I'd argue Bert's freedoms are being infringed by Shin editing a post detailing wrongdoings against him. Similarly, other users that may want to do business with Shin are harmed because they are operating with less-than-full information since they can't see the report against him.
     
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  7. Unread #724 - Dec 16, 2019 at 1:39 PM
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    To your first point, you're correct. But we also sometimes take out sensitive information and defamatory statements that hurts businesses in google SEO if the report was a misunderstanding/resolved. It's a case by case basis and nothing is black and white.

    To your second point, I'm not sure if it's been resolved or not. I think upper staff are discussing it as no lower staff discussions have taken place.

    In response to this, I'd argue that Bert can make another report on this if he feels wronged. Shin is the original owner of the thread and can therefore edit it as he pleases. Also, if you edit out your sexy picture from faces of Sythe in the general discussion page and I used that page to look at your face to fall asleep at night, are you infringing on my rights as a Sythe user? OP's should ALWAYS be allowed to be in control of their own posts and threads. Autonomy of posts is a big deal in my eyes. Forums are dying and probably won't be around in ten more years. Taking away user autonomy of posts is one way to kill them faster which Reddit and others give users the option to do freely.
     
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  9. Unread #725 - Dec 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM
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    Maybe the easiest solution here is just to make it such that you can't report yourself. That way threads about your wrongdoings can't be edited by you, yourself. As is, there's an obvious conflict of interest in letting users self-report.
     
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    I mean, sure, but Shin was being nice about posting this publicly. What if he never posted about it at all. That would require Bert to post.

    And if Shin never reported himself, nobody would have known of this ordeal. Either way, Bert would have to make a report in my argument AND your argument.
     
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  13. Unread #727 - Dec 16, 2019 at 3:30 PM
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    And my point is that requiring the wronged party to post the report in the first place prevents the wrongdoer from editing out the details whenever they see fit. I think Bert should have been required to make the post in this case.
     
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    Being nice? Frankly, I've got nothing against Shin, but it's evident he posted said report first to somewhat control the situation and narrative. Definitely not to be 'nice'. Also, him being an admin only adds to the necessity of needing to be transparent and forthcoming.

    Ultimately, this was poorly handled by Shin. Should we start a witch-hunt because of it? Probably not. Should there be some sort of disciplinary action taken by @Sythe? Probably. Personally, seems a bit convenient and unfair that Shin opted to finish the bot in 13 hrs, after delaying it for 6 months. That's attrocious business ethics - Bert should be compensated monetarily for the delay and childlike excuses.
     
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    I'm waiting for bert to post a dispute/complaint then we will finalise judgement and outcomes
     
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    @Bert if you weren't aware ^
     
  21. Unread #731 - Dec 17, 2019 at 7:23 AM
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    Right so are we going to ignore the fact that we have 2 admins doing the bare minimum or even nothing for months whilst sitting on their ranks?
    Bad exemplar for the current staff team.
    Stop being pussies and resign if you don't want to/can't do the work required.
     
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    Sun has been MIA for 6 months. Shin, cant comment, as he perhaps helps @Sythe with the tech side of things - i.e Discord.

    Big props to @Gen and @video
     
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    Have you ever heard of affirmative actions? We can't have 0 females administrating sythe! (even though, Gen might feel like a female at a times).

    However, thank you very much for your feedback. As you can see, we take it seriously and try to reply in a mature manner.
     
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  27. Unread #734 - Dec 18, 2019 at 7:53 PM
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    It's kind of difficult for changes like that to be made when Shin's technically the head admin and decisions like that go through him and/or Richard (and Richard usually focus on other stuff while he lets Shin handles staff side of things as far as I know). I've seen some measures taken to remove sectionals/global mods that were very inactive in the past, so that's good, but ultimately it is a bad look on the team when nothing is said about admins (who've seemed to been inactive for way longer from what I can see). Rotations happened like one time in the past 2 1/2 years or so from what I recall as well. They should be utilized more.

    The reason this gives me a bitter taste is because Champ was rotated down from Admin randomly because of a few week period of inactivity where he mentioned that he was going to be busy during the holidays with his family, etc, and then went back to doing what he has been since he originally got staff for a few weeks, then randomly was rotated down to global mod. I don't know the details of how it happened/was discussed, but the way it was handled was petty and immature. Meanwhile, Shin has been quite inactive for pretty much 2 years or more at this point and Charlotte has had multiple periods of inactivity for months on end in the past year, which whether you have a legitimate excuse or not (because for the most part we all got problems/obligations in life at the end of the day) is unacceptable.

    At the end of the day I'm not disregarding the work you guys put to get to where you are, but take some time away from staff if you know you won't be able to dedicate some time here. It really isn't a big deal and people wouldn't get this negative perception of you guys if you didn't continue doing this for however long it's been at this point.
     
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    That's mostly what I'm here for anymore. To help out with all staff and site-related matters. I'm supposed to be the person in-between users/staff and Richard, but most reach out to Richard directly these days. I do redirect a question or two every few weeks though. I'm also responsible for contacting Richard immediately if the site ever goes down.
    User-facing, I've been inactive for around 1.5 years. When I graduated college, I wanted to step away from the team. I was asked to stay around and help as needed, so I decided to oblige. I know this is not a great look to the community, but somebody needs to step up and take the reigns. I agree there are issues with staff that need to be addressed - some have been - others are being discussed.

    I think rotations are definitely the way to go, but we need someone to enforce that system and hold staff accountable for their actions... or inactions rather. There was a time we pursued this and it seemed to be effective, but that only happened short-term.
     
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    Shin probably didn't want to tell you the truth, just be happy that he tried to save ur feelings. I doubt such actions are taken without being discussed by the whole team.
     
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    Did you even read Chloe's post? Either way, you're not really in a place to tell other people how to feel about things that have happened to them.

    Someone who isn't posting after midnight tell me why this is a bad idea: We should just make a staff performance assessment forum and give every current staff member a thread with a poll with "change your vote" enabled. All current and ex staff can vote on their performance (approve/no strong feeling/disapprove) with justification required to change your vote. If things swing negatively (total inactivity, someone gets banned, makes a terrible decision, etc.), they get warned/demoted. Seems like it would solve a lot of problems?
     
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    She claims @Shin is taking bribes for mod positions, which I strongly doubt. So there must have been reasons :)
     
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