Nazism

Hello all, I would first like to say, no matter your race or religion, I will NOT discriminate against you online. I consider my online life as part of my profressional life (I know its not but I treat it as such) and this thread is just to share my views and let other members share their opinions of them.

Ok, now onto business. Hitler was a damn fool. I see his point in certain areas which I'll explain shortly. Firstly, many people believe the nazis supported a pre-christian religion, this is not true for Hitler, Hitler publicly spoke out against the gods, saying anyone who believed in them were fools. This fact itself makes Hitler a fool and assures he will never see Valhalla.

Now, where Hitler had the right idea. Theres millions of theories why he hated Jewish people. The real reason? He was a rebel. I believe that the media litterally controling the world is nowdays less of a conspiracy and more of a wide believed fact. During Hitler's reign the jews controlled the media, therefore the world. But Hitler took it waay to far and comitted crimes against humanity.

Now days 99% of all media seems to have to do with jesus, that tells me Christians control the media, so if ever there were to be another holocaust the victims would be Christian, not Jewish. Yes, I'm saying if Hitler was alive today, he would be slaughtering jesus lovers by the thousands.

Many nazis did not follow Hitler's "distrust" of the "old" gods. Infact Rudolph Hess (Hitler's Official Deputy) led the SS forces in occult rituals! (these rituals did not have anything to do with the "old gods" and were actually related to the Thule society.)

Nazi were also not WHITE SUPREMACISTS! They allied themselves with Asian territories, and the Nazi symbol, the swastika, is even from an Asian religion, Buddhism.

Even though the SS commonly took part in occult rituals relating to Thule, they also celebrated Yuletide. Yuletide has been connected to the great god Odin by scholars. This points that the top soldiers in the Nazi army were worshiping Norse gods (which Hitler himself spoke out against) and also possibly members of the Thule Society.

For those who have never heard of The Thule Society, it is remotely connected to the origins of the Nazi Party. It was a German occultis and Volkisch group name after a mythical northern country from greek mythology. A primary focus of Thule-Gesellschaft was a claim concerning the origins of the Aryan race. Thule was a land located by Greco-Roman geographers far to the north, often displayed as Iceland, although originally Thule was probably the name for Scandinavia.

They identified Ultima Thule, said by Nazi mystics to be the capital of ancient Hyperborea, as a lost ancient landmass in the extreme north: near Greenland or Iceland. These ideas derived from earlier speculation by Ignatius L. Donnelly that a lost landmass had once existed in the Atlantic, and that it was the home of the Aryan race, a theory he supported by reference to the distribution of swastika motifs. He identified this with Plato's Atlantis, a theory further developed by Helena Blavatsky, an occultist during the second part of the 19th century.

So, lets see what I have done so far... I have denounced Hitler as the "king" of Nazi's as many of his followers were against his own words (the words of their religious beliefs making them fools), his official deputy delved into Occult and Norse religions, and as we all know, the Norsemen were the original Aryan race. Hitler, who supposidly wanted a world of nothing but Aryans, publicly spoke out against Aryan religion? It often surprises me that any Nazi after Hitler's death would ever say the words "Heil Hitler" again, but this is not the case.

What the media does to Nazism:

The media makes Nazism out to be a foreign version of the KKK. They make Nazi's out to be dumb, thick minded sheep following a dead master (Hitler). This causes many problems. Instead of allowing Nazism to flourish and change away from Jewish hate, the media has FORCED young racists and biggots into believing they are Nazis. The KKK disliked blacks and Jews. Nazis hated the power the media held over the world and wanted nationalism. (Hitler however seemed to want to take the control of the media from the Jewish people, but he was the only dumb Nazi during those times, I think I've pointed that out plenty at this point.)

 

Nazi's were insane. You can't justify a genocidal group of people with "media" references. What they did was fucked up, and nobody gave a shit that they worshipped Norse gods during WW2.

Now the real question: Aren't you trying to find a job? Aren't you on a trip right now, prohibiting you from going to this interview? Don't you have a kid you're fighting custody for?

No instead you post on sythe about Nazis. just Nazis.

 

The reasons you listed are a stretch at best... Politics had much much much more to do with Nazism than religion, I promise you that.

After WW1, Germany went into a severe depression, inflation increased so much, the money eventually became worth less than the paper it was printed on. Power changes have everything to do with economic hardships, not with Jews controlling the media or anything about the 'Old Gods'.

 

2:05am, sitting here, out of town with nothing to do except post on sythe and you expect me to be doing what exactly?

And I am not justifying Nazis... I mean, yes in a way I am, I'm not justifying the things they did, I am justifying that a Nazi man should not be judged to be just like Hitler. I'm saying if they had a different leader, someone who wasn't as dumb and twisted as Hitler, the term "Nazi" may not have ended up being the "evil" thing people consider it today. I said Hitler took it way to far, he committed crimes against humanity (the holocaust) and if the Nazi leader hadn't been as dumb and twisted (forgive my reuse of the same words over and over), such as his official deputy, Hess, the holocaust itself probably would never have happened. If someone smarter, again, such as Hess, had been in full control, the attacks would have been straight on the media, which of course would have been a blow to jewish people, but only 1% of the amount that died would have died if this theory were to have been a reality.

Most Nazi soldiers were actually Nationalists, not white supremacists. Nationalist can mean many things, the way I am using it, I mean as nation defines race. If your from Germany, your white, if your from northern africa, your black, if your from japan, your Japanese. In fact, Curtis Allgier, a skinhead currently serving life in Utah state prison, once told me that white people have no business being in America. We don't belong in america any more than a black, mexican or asian person does and he that term "go back where you came from" that so many people consider racist, he told me it should also be used on ourselves, we need to go the fuck back to Europe and keep our white asses out of other races territories.

People talk out against Nazis because of their leader, but why don't they talk out about americans because of our leader? Remember when Bush started a war to get oil from the middle east? Not all Americans are now called murdering, money hungry monsters because our president was one. So why call every Nazi an evil fuck just because Hitler was?

Also, when Hitler got out of prison and rose as a dictator, his plan was not originally to conquer the world, in my opinion atleast, the power of becoming a dictator and controlling such a strong army went to his head and he lost his mind, he tried to take over the world and it was the power trip and dumbness that did him in. Hitler was too weak to lead a country, and trying to do so just made him mad with power and instead of rebelling against a media-controlled world, he tried to take over that world, control that media himself, where a smart man would have destroyed the power the media has and from there continued to live in peace.

 

I'm not an idiot, I know most Nazis didn't choose the life they had. Germany was a shithole in the 20's-30's and the rise of Hitler was their only salvation. I'm just pointing out what they did. Sure they had limited options being such an impoverished country, but in the end of the day they still herded up groups of innocent people and put them to death. That's the truth.

Here's the fun part again, this is what people really would like to know: Why did you choose that trip over taking the job interview? We'd all like to hear why you couldn't postpone this "mystery" trip of yours.

 

It wasn't a mystery trip. On the post asking how to reschedule the interview, I pointed out my family was going out of town.

my only way is with them, I don't own a car, I don't have a license, I don't have money to buy food, it was either get the fuck in the car, or sit at home with no ride to the interview anyway, and also have no money for food or anything until sunday night when everyone gets back.

 

I really just can't fathom how you think the holocaust was about the media. People don't massacre others for reasons as trivial as that.

Imagine when Europeans first came to North America. They slaughtered the native population for land and natural resources. The only thing that causes war besides fighting for money/resources/land/power/politics is when wars happen because of religion. This was not a war for religion, it was purely economic and political.

 

I'm saying it STARTED with the media and Hitler went power-mad and started doing horrible shit and it DID become about religion. His goal was to exterminate the Jews. You dont get politics, resources or land by killing jews. You get power and possibly money. Or atleast that's how I would imagine he saw it.

Yes, he did want land too, but look at how it started. It started with an oppressed man rising from prison into office. He believed the conspiracy (truth) of the media controlling the world. He was dumb, he didn't attack the media, he blamed the religion in charge of the media. It started with hate for jews, which led to the slaughter of MANY innocent jewish people, and from there, fuck it, why not try to take over the whole world right?

Read Mein Kampf, it's the book Hitler WROTE in prison before he became a dictator. I have an english version E-Book in PDF format if you're interested.

 

if u ask me, if the other Nazis were so smart they wouldn't have followed hitler.

 

I'd rip into how you are still depending on your family to provide you with food and a "ride" to the interview. Make yourself a sandwhich, get on a bike/walk and go get that interview. But no: I think you've heard enough as it is and I don't want this thread to stray off-topic.

Back on topic here: You said something about how bush should make the American people look like murderers? That analogy with bush doesn't work at all. Nazis were the soldiers of Hitler, they carried out executions and genocide. Bush ( I don't like the guy much either, but he's not exactly Hitler) made decisions like the Kuwait invasions to protect oil reserves from Iraq and other foreign nations. He didn't sentence the people to death. He invaded. They killed the soldiers trying to take Kuwait's oil, not the civilians on the streets. Civilians get killed all the time from this war, but it' collateral. Bush didn't order genocide. Also, you can't exactly compare the civilians of America to Nazis. Germany had civilians in WW2, these people weren't Nazis. You can try comparing our soldiers to Nazis, but that's a whole new road of debate.

 

you should read all posts before posting something you clearly havn't researched and are infact, just going by what the media tells you, luspender.

 

The media wasn't 100% controlled by Jews, Jews were a minority in Germany, they made up a lot of the skilled labor, but there are ways to overthrow the media besides mass extermination... The holocaust had NOTHING to do with media, saying that Hitler killed millions of people because of the media (Hitler controlled all German propaganda before the racial killings even took place) is not even feasible.

 

Interview is 10 miles away, I don't own a bike. we don't keep food in the house. If a bag of chips and 2 packages of ramen noodles would sustain you from wednesday morning - sunday night, props to you.


& I dont mean nazis back then. I mean nazis today. Their all looked down upon like their evil people, but their just plain people like you and me, they aren't wrong, they aren't bad people, they just have different beliefs. Some of them yes, are dumbasses like the media says they are, but thats because the media says thats the kind people nazis and skinheads are, so of course, dumbasses who are exactly what the media calls a nazi, call themselves nazis, if it werent for people like that, maybe nazis would have made a better name for themselves by now, i dont know, theres no way to tell for sure.

 

Hats of to Xiero here. Your whole conspiracy about Jewish controlled media is false. Hitler was a dictator, his ascent to power was the controlling of media. He had the propaganda, he had the soldiers, he had the support of the German people before the segregation of the Jews.

I'm trying not to get back on this, but if you wish for more input.. 10 miles for an interview that will keep you out of jail? You can't walk that far? That's awful. You cannot be so out of shape that you'd rather spend 5 years in jail (never seeing your kid again) instead of walking 10 miles. As for food, you sound like a little kid. Ask for about 30$ and buy bread, peanut butter, and a dozen eggs. That's how you survive from Wednesday to sunday. You astound me with how little you seem to care about your whole situation.

Back on topic: If you're going to switch on to how people treat the Nazi soldiers today, then you just switched the debate. The remaining Nazis are not oppressed by people with sound minds. The Americans that firmly believe in stubborn justice think that anybody affiliated with the name Nazi is evil. Retired old men, with no intentions of harming or hating another for their race aren't "Nazis" These people are just survivors of a turbulent time. Neo-Nazis are modern Nazis as well. Neo-Nazis aren't positive images because they openly preach about hating Jews,gays, and just about anyone who isn't a neo-Nazi.

You can't really debate ignorance.

 

I've been saying Hitler was dumb and crazy, etc this entire time, why do you keep agreeing with me but portraying it as if I'm wrong?

 

Look, How do I send you a PDF file on here? I'm talking about before he was a dictator he had a problem with jews because of the media and etc. He rose to become a dictator in order to achieve the extermination of jews because he believed them to control the entire world. After he became a dicatator, he went fucking insane with power, but its almost 3am and I've noticed I'm just repeating myself over and over, so I think I need some sleep. We can continue the discussion tomorrow, but if you wanna get a copy of Mein Kampf before I get on tomarrow night (around the same time) just look up an ebook download on a torrent site or something, shouldn't be to hard find.

He was also possibly already somewhat insane when he wrote Mein Kampf, as some of the things he says in the book are.... "off"... but it is my OPINION (not saying its a fact) he went mad with power after becoming the nazi leader and that madness is what drove him to start a world war.

Many of these things are my opinion, of course. Like the stuff about rudolph hess, maybe he would have been JUST LIKE hitler, but instead of supporting christianity, supported Odin or something, I wasn't alive to ask Hess what he would do if he was the dictator, so I honestly don't know, this is all pure opinion, I'm to tired to tell, but I'm kinda worried some of the things I'm saying is offending you, so I'm just telling you I'm not trying to say these ideas are 100% fact, its an "educated guess" of how things MAY have POSSIBLY played out. In the book, it somewhat seems to me subliminal hate for a world controlling media. He never said "I'm going to be a dictator to fuck the media" that is also just pure opinion and my own belief of how it happened. Theres SO MANY theories of why he hated jews, why he did what he did, I'm just sharing my own theories.

 

Hitler wasn't dumb. He was extremely smart, he convinced an entire nation to wipe out a major religion and he controlled all of Western Europe for a time (well excluding the neutral zones and the UK). Hitler was just fucking insane. Nobody with sound mind does what he did.

You aren't agreeing with anyone. You're trying to justify his intent as a way to control the media. Plain and simple, Adof Hitler killed millions of innocent people because he had the power to do so. Nobody can oppose you when they're all dead. Not the media. Insanity.

 

I am not justifying it. I'm saying why I believe he did it. Everyone has to have a reason for something. Trust me, just read Mein Kampf and you'll get the feel for his hate for the media. But to justify is to say it was right because of something, thats not what I'm doing cuz there was nothing right about the things he did to people. If there wasn't a reason for the jews to be his target, why were they? He could have targeted any religion, if he just wanted to kill people so no one would oppose him, he would have been like saddam husane (or however the fuck you spell it) and would have been slaughtering his own kind in as large of numbers as he was the jews.

I'm not saying it was a good reason. But I do believe he HAD a reason. No matter how insane you don't attack an entire religion as well as people who oppose them (Hitler ran the KKK out of Germany who also disliked jews AND blacks, and yes there was a chapter in Germany, google it.) Hitler disliked the KKK and the jews both, and he hated them with such a deep dark hatred, that there HAD to be a reason, which is all I'm saying when it comes to hitler. I mean havn't you heard the hundreds of theories people have? I've even heard people claim Hitler hated jews because his dad was a jew and abused him, which I've found no positive evidence of btw, but that's just the most recent "theory" I've heard aside from my own.

 

A poor example because Saddam Hussein targeted a minority sect of Muslims, and killed them with chemical weapons.

 

I don't know much about Saddam, I just know he killed his own people and his own followers as if they were all enemies, and Hitler would have done the same if he was just scared of people opposing him. I believe I once heard that he had his daughter's boyfriend's head delivered to his daughter in a box... I don't know if thats true, like I said I don't know much about Saddam, I've never researched him like I have hitler, everything I "know" about Saddam is just what people have told me and without any truly reliable resources.

EDIT: Looked it up because it got me wondering about it, I didn't find anything about heads in boxes, but I did find this:
"Two of Saddam's daughters were married to cousins of their father. Raghad married Hussein Kamal, and Rana married Saddam Kamel. In 1995, Saddam Hussein was angered when his sons-in-law and their wives defected to Jordan. They later returned to Iraq, believing they had been pardoned, but within 72 hours Saddam Hussein had both his sons-in-law killed. Raghdad, Rana, and their children were given sanctuary in Jordan in July of 2003.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/07/01/fast-facts-saddam-hussein/#ixzz2Y3xXSqPw"

but its 3 30am now, so I REAAALLY need to get off of here, I'll check back on here tomorrow night when I get online again to possibly further the discussion.