What's wrong with the servers?

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What's wrong with the servers?
  1. Unread #221 - Aug 28, 2012 at 4:31 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    There are plenty of decent MySQL hosts out there and can't be too hard to find. Does mysql.com still offer hosting?
     
  3. Unread #222 - Aug 28, 2012 at 7:54 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    I know I'm going to sound like a complete noob here, but can someone give an explanation in less technical terms on what exactly it is that causes all of these errors and server downtime? I know next to nothing regarding hosting :/

    And I don't know whether it has something to do with my timezone, but are the errors really that bad? Between 3PM-12AM GMT +10 (The only time I'm really free to go online) I hardly ever get an error. And when I do, all I need to do is go back a page and click reply again.
     
  5. Unread #223 - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:25 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    I think its just overflowing of the server :)
     
  7. Unread #224 - Aug 28, 2012 at 10:34 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Have you already looked into services by Amazon or Rackspace? The latter seems to be especially reliable, as they have a managed hybrid cloud service.


    Just my little input on this: Correct, when a new version comes out, it's never a good idea to just blindly switch over when you are a large website. However, vBulletin 4 was released in 2009, and we are up to 4.2 now. By this point, most of the security vulnerability should be patched, and we've already gone past the point of zero support for the 3.6.4 version we currently have, which, by the way, also had some vulnerabilities that were patched in future versions.

    And here are the Pros and Cons as I see them:
    • vBulletin 4 has much better SEO, increasing the potential for the community to grow
    • vBulletin 3 is unsupported, and we are stuck on the 2006 version
    • Our version has 6 known vulnerabilities, which was taken down to 1 if we upgrade to 3.6.8
    • If anything, we should at least upgrade to the end of the line in the 3 series, which was the most stable/secure version when Jelsoft abandoned it
    • Since vB4 is supported, any security issues created by updates are patched quickly, or you can just stick with an older versions with no flaws
    • Going by general logic, we can assume that the company you trusted enough by using their software knows how to handle their software, and improves it rather than degrading it and making it less secure
    • Some other improvements that were made:
      • Improved search performance (no more disabling search)
      • Generally much better PM system
      • Better user security

    Keep in mind that we can always go with IPB3, which I still see as better software performance and security-wise. Many large websites use this without any issues, so I don't see how Sythe.org cannot. I believe Powerbot also migrated without any severe issue. Also, not to be a complainer, but I don't see Powerbot going down daily either, and their database doesn't get leaked every year or two.
     
  9. Unread #225 - Aug 28, 2012 at 2:22 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Basically, yeah. Everything else was just my version of a legal disclaimer.
     
  11. Unread #226 - Aug 28, 2012 at 7:43 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Firstly we are already upgrading to vb4. That is not in debate. The only issue for vb4 is the look and feel and migrating custom code and plugins correctly.

    However keep in mind that vb4 is even more database intensive than vb3 and will only exacerbate any contention issues -- which should be addressed first.

    Secondly we do not run 3.6.4.
     
  13. Unread #227 - Aug 28, 2012 at 8:18 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    It just says we do:

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    so if we don't that's where the confusion arose from.
     
  15. Unread #228 - Aug 28, 2012 at 9:55 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?


    It certainly does say that.
     
  17. Unread #229 - Aug 29, 2012 at 3:53 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Isn't it a heavily modified version of 3.6.4 that we run? (I think I read that somewhere once.)
     
  19. Unread #230 - Aug 29, 2012 at 10:07 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    i don't see why this issue is still being talked about. Sythe clearly stated his path and his knowledge of the issue and is doing something about it. Don't make harsh decisions and just take it a step at a time (as sythe was saying).
     
  21. Unread #231 - Sep 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Yes and as far as I know back when I was admin me and Sythe patched most of the exploits that were found in the version it states that is being run.
     
  23. Unread #232 - Sep 2, 2012 at 4:17 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    I am in the process of trying to migrate us to amazon web services at the moment. Unfortunately upgrading will lead to still more downtime. Bear with us.
     
  25. Unread #233 - Sep 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Thanks for letting us know :) In theory, should we be getting better uptime and less errors in the long run?
     
  27. Unread #234 - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:24 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    It appears to me that there was a small rollback. Confirm?
     
  29. Unread #235 - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:30 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Small rollback. We tried amazon web services (which took many hours to transfer the database to) for about 30 minutes. It is far slower than our existing setup, so I've reverted.
     
  31. Unread #236 - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:40 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Very interesting. I've never tested Amazon but I'm somehow disappointed in them already.

    Could the same test be performed in Rackspace?

    http://www.rackspace.com/cloud/public/sites/
     
  33. Unread #237 - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:49 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    I've had bad experience with rackspace previously. Not wanting to repeat.

    Just found the source of the 500 errors. I asked the tech to recompile apache with mod_deflate a couple of days ago. WHM appears to have taken it upon itself to update php at the same time and override config files with defaults. Long story short some modules were being loaded incorrectly.

    Unfortunately the 500 errors were happening already before this due to memory capping, and I didn't think to check the error logs to see if they were different until I realised the number of 500 errors had increased dramatically. Tech has apologized for not checking logs after build (which he definitely should have.)

    I've negotiated a ram and IO speed increase. We already have additional ram, and they are looking into the latter now. I also spent half my weekend working on grafting our vb3 skin to vb4 (which turns out to be quite difficult.)

    So there you have it for updates, progress and endless stress. Did I mention I have the flu, two assignments and a lab due tomorrow? And it is currently 3:50 am. And people say I don't do anything for this site...
     
  35. Unread #238 - Sep 2, 2012 at 1:51 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Gotta love Richard. Good luck to the techs and you fixing the last few things.

    I'm eager to see VB4 :)

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  37. Unread #239 - Sep 2, 2012 at 2:02 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Thanks for all the work you've put into Sythe recently, Richard.

    Glad to see a hard working site owner.
     
  39. Unread #240 - Sep 2, 2012 at 2:16 PM
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    What's wrong with the servers?

    Sounds promising, I hope this is the end to those irritating errors. Stupid that those guys did that, and thats unfortunate, goodluck on the assignments!
     
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