[Voting]Twc Dispute

[Pain]

Link to/reason for TWC: Skype Hacked

List of vouches since receiving TWC: (Please note: It's advisable to present vouches where the other party went first in the deal and where the deal was for a considerable sum, the more of these - the better).

Total Vaule: $1,000+(Felt this was enough)

$230:

Vouch for Bus369, sold him 200m 07gp, great trader!

$115:

Big thanks for buying 100M off me! Great person to trade with

$15:

vouch sold me 10m

$45(10b runique):

Vouch! Trade went smooth and quick as always :]

$45(10b runique):

Sold him runique i went first ty pal.

$225(50b runique):

Sold lots of runique to this guy he was very patient and polite strongly recommend to all

I forgot this vaule tbh,I think 5-10b runique:

Vouch!
Sold him Runique gold!
Thanks!

$200+(50b runique):

sold him lots more runique trusted him with lots great guy!

$5:

Just sold my sig for $5/month

$50 amazon:

Vouch smooth deal bought 50 USD worth.

Max main Rental:

Rented an account yesterday, quick & easy would recommend.

Vouch for Bus369 rented 30mins his Max Main no issues easy

Reasoning/explanation for sketchy behaviour leading to TWC:
Skype was socially engineerd away from me(nothing else was compromised)


Anything else you wish to say:
*I've now made and secured a skype with 2fa .

* The twc is weak at best, if not non-existant, both reports were proven false
which basically means I should of never been banned, If I was never banned
the upper staff never would of had a discussion, which means the twc
reasoning is basically non existant now, if you want to consider me liable
for somebody managing to socially engineer my skype then its a weak twc at best.

*Considering My aresonal of 1k-1.5k vouches I cant imagine anybody needs to "trade me with caution"

*I've got over $1500 invested into various ranks and status's on various forums.

*I've sent over $1K+ USD to various staff in the past 3 weeks via paypal for gold(element of trust)

*I've got 6 staff vouches 4/6 were those staff going first.

* I had a twc removed for self vouching within 3 days, it went 5-0, so unless staff somehow consider something beyond my control(even though I should of been 2fa'd I admit)
to be worse than self vouching, I see no reason this cant be removed in the same timeframe, its defintely a weaker twc than
the self vouching one and I had the same amount of vouches/vaule on that one.

*These vouches are from the past 24 hours(some 30 hours sue me), Those vouches are over $1k worth in a day, and thats just the people who vouched
I dont think I need a trade with caution when Im still handling thousands a day.

* I've had quite a few community members contact me in support of this twc being removed and most felt it never should of been applied.

*I have learned my lesson and aplogize for wasting staff's time with a discussion, both reports were found invalid
so it was just a giant ass waste of time for everyone and a pain in the ass for me as it didnt help my reputation any,
I would appreciate staff not making me wait a month through this unneeded humilation of a twc .


* This hacking also cost me over $250 even without the reports, I can safely safely safely assure staff that the twc was completely unneeded, I learned my lesson
the hard way and it was quite expensive I might add.

* I'll post more vouches as they come if their really needed, but I cant imagine staff feel uncomfortable removing it.

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[Brendan]

I'm ambivalent. A trade with caution to me is unfair as it's blatantly obvious that you're trustworthy, I personally would let you handle a lot of money for me. However you're always managing to get yourself into trouble and can't seem to stay away from it, and you deserve some sort of punishment for all of the work you make us do.

 

[Pain]

I'm ambivalent. A trade with caution to me is unfair as it's blatantly obvious that you're trustworthy, I personally would let you handle a lot of money for me. However you're always managing to get yourself into trouble and can't seem to stay away from it, and you deserve some sort of punishment for all of the work you make us do.

I think this is a fair statement tbh, I do.

I sat here thinking about ur comment and I agree with both ur statements, a twc is unfair but staff are kind of stuck because u want to dispense some form of punishment for all the time I cost u guys.


All I can really say regarding this is, I have been doing my best to stay out of trouble, and I think that its safe to say the drama and issues have certainly been a lot lower since my unban where dave said I was on my last chance.


Regarding the hacking specifically I think its worth mentioning, I wasent some idiot who clicked a bad link, I just happened to be the target of some social engineering crap because nothing else was compromised.

Nobody ended up being scammed, and I enforce a no click policy on links over skype and I ALWAYS have.


While I agree with ur statement, keeping me twc'd does seem rather harsh, my skype was likely compromised due to no fault of my own.


While I recognize it should of been 2fa'd, only the events of the past few weeks have convinced me it was worth abandoning over 2,200 contacts to prevent further issues.

I took that step to further secure myself by giving up more contacts and business then I care to ever admit to be honest, U would likely wince if u knew how much Ill lose long term.


I don't think a twc is deserved in a case when I have been trying to protect myself and my customers, I spend more money and shit to avoid rwt detections and hackings then probably any other trader.

While I was stupid for not having a 2fa'd skype, It was a mistake I've rectified and luckily no-one was truly hurt, all I ask is that staff repay the favor and don't hurt my reputation in return.

Don't forget- this mistake cost me $250 I don't plan to ever have a unsecured skype or stuff again, all my emails, btc wallets, etc are all 2fa'd, losing all those contacts though is why I never 2fa'd my skype.

I think what u said is fair, and I wish I could offer u a logical alternative but the truth is, I cant think of one.


I appreciate u remaining neutral though.

 

I think it is disappointing that you waited so long to 2FA your skype but am ambivalent as to your dispute for now. Curious to hear other staff opinions though.

 

[Pain]

I think it is disappointing that you waited so long to 2FA your skype but am ambivalent as to your dispute for now. Curious to hear other staff opinions though.

I think it might be helpful for a little backstory regarding this specifically it might persuade u it might not.

The short version:

I don't know if staff remember this or not, but back when I first started trading a few months in, I was targeted by a similar social engineering issue, I lost 16 skypes in the same amount of days.

At this point in my life I had just open'd goldstop.net and had no phone- This is also when my first(and only) sythe hacking occurred I believe if I recall right.

The reason gold-king991 never was 2fa'd or changed is because at that point in time- I had like $250 to my name and was barley making ends meet, after my sythe hacking I acquired a phone to use for 2fa, however by this point remember I had consistently been losing skypes daily- so I expected to lose gold-king991 aswell.

For whatever reason, 16 skypes later I stopped losing skypes, so I kind of ran into a quandary.

I was left with a choice:

don't 2fa my skype I finally managed to hold onto(which remember back then had like 300 contacts, which was a TON to me on goldstop.net trying to get started). and not 2faing it.


Or lose the 300 contacts for goldstop.net and risk losing my growing business but protecting my skype.


Obviously we all know what choice I made, personally Its theoretically possible 2fa'ing my skype then may of cost me everything I have now(300 contacts was a huge deal for a brand new site tbh).


But I thought that backstory was worth at least mentioning.


While I may of failed to 2fa it at the start- I had 2 very valid reasons for not doing so, it was not due to me being lazy or lax on security that it was not 2fa'd, it was a unfournate turn of events and choices I had to make.


Personally I have to be truthful, if I was me set in those circumstances in that time period with the struggling and 16 hour days I was doing, losing a weeks worth of contacts or whatever it was probably would of ended me or crippled the site horribly, remember this: I had lost 16 skypes, at this point all my contacts I had already made for rsps/rs etc were long long lost- 16 days in and I was back to 1 contact until gold-king991 wasent taken and it got back to 300, I couldn't afford to start a new skype and 2fa it.


Personally knowing what I went through, I would of made the same choice not to 2fa it then as I would now, there was no point for anyone to hack me, I was a nobody with no skype contacts, constantly losing skypes, who would want to hack me? Risking my business for a very very very low probality chance of a hack seemed a poor business decision.


While it may seem stupid to you, I can assure you not 2fa'ing my skype was one of the biggest business decisions I ever made- and personally I think the upside vs the downside long term was FAR FAR worth it.


While I regret not 2faing it now, under my circumstances back then, I would make the same choice again.

 

[Cas]

Your attitude towards customer security after you've already had so many problems with skype and other things baffles me. Even if these events might not have been caused by you, you did nothing to prevent it from happening again.

I hope this is something you can learn from because you're not an untrustworthy person.

I'm going to say no support at this time, I'd probably support a dispute next time around.

 

[Pain]

Your attitude towards customer security after you've already had so many problems with skype and other things baffles me. Even if these events might not have been caused by you, you did nothing to prevent it from happening again.

I hope this is something you can learn from because you're not an untrustworthy person.

I'm going to say no support at this time, I'd probably support a dispute next time around.

Your attitude towards customer security after you've already had so many problems with skype and other things baffles me. Even if these events might not have been caused by you, you did nothing to prevent it from happening again.

This seems harsh considering last I checked, probemas and the other sellers are the ones having 80 people chain banned.

Infact, regardless of what happened, ur statement isn't true at all, "my attitude towards customer security" is one of the most caring expensive attitudes anyone has.

While I typically don't take offence, what u said is just downright wrong.

I spend in the THOUSANDS a year and hundreds of hours upon hours slaving to make sure my customers are protected and don't end up being chain banned for tens of thousands of dollars 2 weeks later like probemas does.

I apologize if I sound offensive, but ur just flatout wrong- Regardless of ur vote this is wrong.

if u would of read my backstory above you, you would understand why it wasent 2fa'd immediately at the very start.

Also- I want you to remember one thing, next time u tell me I don't care about customer security, just remember if I wanted to I could trade from the same shitty IP's for every customer and not give 2 fucks when 200 of them are chain banned in a week because I'm not liable.


I hate being rude, but what ur saying is just downright wrong, if anything I have a better attitude towards customer protection than anyone else.


If you want to vote no- Fine, but you don't get to throw that "U don't care about the customers security" shit at me-ever.

I put more money,time and effort into protecting my customers then anyone I know.


You want to say its MY FAULT for not 2faing my skype- fine whatever, just don't feed me that bullshit about me not caring about the customer, if u cant tell it REALLY pisses me off.

 

Your attitude has been poor towards this and continues to be. You still seem oblivious to the fact that you have caused us to waste a lot of time on your cases and continue to do things that require us to look into these cases.

While I don't disagree you're trustworthy, I do think you need to serve punishment for your enormous ban history/security/infractions, etc.

Not supporting this go around. I would really like to see an attitude adjustment.

 

[Bus33]

@ardy my attitude might be poor because for the first time in 3 years a punishment was given for a Skype hacking, considering how shifty it is of the staff team to choose my case as the one to punish, ur attitude would be pretty shitty to trust me. I can't tell u how many people messaged me saying I was right and the staff team made a mistake. U think I'm kidding message me, ill prove it. It's it the dozens. So yes after going through this horse shit discussion the staff made, yes I have a pretty poor attitude, I'm plenty mature I just think giving me a twc was a joke, losing $250 and a week ban wasent enough? Ur attitude would be piss poor in my situation to trust me. People like me because I speak the truth regardless of what side I'm on, I've proven that over and over, and the truth is staff's decision in this case was a joke, you guys singled out one case among hundreds and chose to ban me, twc me, and make me lose $250 in a case there never should of been a discussion, so yes my attitude is poor and far only that's just because this case is poor.

 

[FireZ]

Wait at least 3 months imo


Denied for now