Viou / un just dude

Austintheman · Oct 5, 2013

holy shit

op is a fag

Emperor Nero · Oct 5, 2013

There needs to be more niggers in this thread. I hate my phone, it autocorrects nigger to nugget.

SuF · Oct 5, 2013

Jack Goff said:
way too much post content for the spam forum guys

So much so. Jesus. People just want big names banned because its entertaining or some shit.

Sypherz · Oct 5, 2013

SuF said:
So much so. Jesus. People just want big names banned because its entertaining or some shit.

With such a boring community what do you expect

SuF · Oct 5, 2013

sypherz said:
With such a boring community what do you expect

yea without finn there's nothing exciting going on anymore. +1 support finn unbanned + admin again. would be a great community builder.

Emperor Nero · Oct 5, 2013

SuF said:
yea without finn there's nothing exciting going on anymore. +1 support finn unbanned + admin again. would be a great community builder.

Support. Also unlimited donations for admins.

Jack · Oct 6, 2013

pls promote my 2 admin so me rain of tyranny can begun

hattez · Oct 6, 2013

Austintheman said:
holy shit

op is a fag

this thread is gaining ground on the free punker thread

Apith · Oct 6, 2013

R2Pleasent said:
The only reason I searched his history was in response to the dispute. He was looking to hold me responsible for a $750 item which never left his account. I was looking for a split of responsibility. It was a bit desperate on my part to bring up his history, sure. I was aiming to find direct proof of him hacking/stealing the Party Hat and found nothing. I did not have a chance to look through his information for long, quite shortly after beginning to look into it, I had him check the status of his Ban Appeal.

Had I not put pressure on him, and he felt he was going to win the dispute easily, he may have not been so motivated to cooperate with me once he realized the account was unbanned. Because he felt there was a chance he may lose the case / have to accept a lower amount, he was forced into making hasty decisions when noticing the unban. So, in hindsight, it's fortunate that I challenged his character. I didn't want him to feel completely in control of the situation.

So you are assuming that Sythe would support scamming someone who had a history in black hat? Regardless if someone is a past scammer, vades and sells, they wont change their mind about paying a person. You believe he thought there was a chance the staff would suddenly change their mind, now that you brought his black hat stuff, about you paying him? We both know that wouldn't have happened, so how could you assume trax didnt? The staff wouldnt let you off the hook if you were in possession of the account, regardless if it was stolen goods, and it gets banned while you were on.

Buddy, the account was banned without 1 GP leaving the inventory. To sit here and tell me how Jagex manages bans is stupid. You know nothing about how their system works. I deal with their systems every single day with big amounts of gold and even I admit I know very little. So don't sit here and tell me what the risk is of the account being banned again. The account had received 3 Gold-Farming offences, and had 4B sitting on it. Myself and the seller were extremely worried that it would be banned / reset again.

The seller was obviously worried because of the risk he was taking. Yet I still never heard of a case where jagex unbanned an account and banned it again shortly after. In fact, even after the gold left the account, I am sure it isnt banned yet. Jagex have made a lot of bans where they were wrong in the past, to a mass level, and they unbanned innocent people who were caught in it. It is rare enough for jagex to unban an account but even rarer, if they even ever have, to reban an account that was recently unbanned.

Ill play your game with proof. If you believe it would be banned again, show me proof of one incident in the past where an account got banned, unbanned, and rebanned shortly after. Show me evidence/source that it has happened in the past.

Sorry I'm not taking your cliff-notes summary on a case that happened 3 years ago. Show me evidence/source of what you're saying, or go fuck yourself.

Way to argue, I posted it shortly before one of your posts in a different page, I have no doubt you read it. Anyway here it is:

Posting on your thread to contact james:
http://sythe.org/7179536-post9.html
If you browse through the thread he was bumping it for you.

Here, you closed the thread. You had the power to ban him, but didnt. Instead told hamjam that he wasnt your employee and to recover any account sold to him as if he was a scammer.
http://www.sythe.org/7205820-post77.html

And here is the irc conversation that took place, which hamjam saw and never denied when he posted in the thread. You only have to read up to the part where hamjam copies the conversation he had with you.
http://pastebin.com/zzSWBV0U

If I had read all this information on Traxar before he came to me initially, I would have simply told him I wasn't interested. It's not a good business decision to involve yourself with these types of people. However, Sythe rules state that knowingly accepting stolen merchandise is against the rules. It does not say that trading someone who has an old Hackforums account is grounds for a perm ban.

Show me the evidence of the Party Hat being stolen. Just because I raised suspicions in a report earlier does not mean I have proven it. It also did not change anyone's views on the case. I was still being told to pay $750 to him despite the information I provided.

This is basically how stupid that sounds:
Trax: I'm selling a car with just 2 miles on the odometer.
R2P: Ill buy it, but may I take it for a test run?
Trax: Yeah sure, here are the keys.
r2p is driving the car, parks it outside a convenience store and buys something. On your way out you see the car being towed, it was impounded. Now you are expected to pay the fee.
Third party: r2p it looks like you should have to pay for it, not trax, you were driving it.
R2P: But I looked into his past, he has been involved in stealing cars and reseting odometers. He has most likely did that!
Now trax somehow gets the car back and didnt have to pay the impound fee
R2P: Ok ill buy it since id have to pay if it was impounded anyway. There is no proof it is stolen or the odometer was reset anyway. I just said he most likely stole it because i didnt want to pay anything. But his history is indeed true. Ill buy it since I have someone that will buy it immediately, no prob for me. All that matters is my profit.

It puts you at a whole new different level of low by using such tactics. It's ok if you accuse him of stealing the phat when the account is still banned, then exactly contradict yourself by saying there is no proof and ask for it? You may as well argue with yourself. But stick to 1 point, you are looking really desperate having to switch just to make your point sound more realistic.

In a perfect world where time is not a factor, I would have. I wanted nothing more than to separate myself from this transaction. However, I did not feel I could do so without exposing myself to considerable risk. It's easy to talk on the sidelines when you have $0 invested in a decision.

When was time a factor? Im sure there was at least 1 staff on that you could have consulted. And we both know that the staff would have told you not to trade with him after you accused him of stealing the phat, bringing his blackhat history, and pointing his skype out in a desperation move. All you needed was their word.

I have the right to defend myself and bring up information. Whether that information is deemed relevant or not is up to the arbitrator (Sythe staff).

Ill just point at the snappie incident (already mentioned earlier in this post), which is actually about james, for this. How you say 2 things. In all these years you havent changed.

You act as if there was ample time to make a post and have it replied to. This was an extremely time sensitive situation.

Once again, time was a major factor and I felt the account was at risk. I had just recently been banned on the exact account which held the gold.

So you had no moderator added on any of your messenger that were on? And none were on that you could PM? This situation brought a huge attention and I doubt staff would have left.

The moderators decided that I was responsible for the trade after I provided the information. Based on that ruling, I don't see what changes after the account is unbanned.

Sythe does not encourage anything like scamming. They would never allow you to pay nothing even if he was a scammer selling you gold and you got his account banned while your were on his account. Sythe allows counter scamming and that is to get your possession back, nothing else.

Piramid · Oct 6, 2013

SuF said:
yea without finn there's nothing exciting going on anymore. +1 support finn unbanned + admin again. would be a great community builder.

Lol this is true

Time To Buy · Oct 6, 2013

tl;dr I want to buy $600 worth of gold should I buy from R2?

Apith · Oct 6, 2013

Time To Buy said:
tl;dr I want to buy $600 worth of gold should I buy from R2?

but he bought stolen gold, and you would be buying stolen gold from him which would result in your ban. its ok for r2p cuz hes above rules

hattez · Oct 6, 2013

Apith said:
but he bought stolen gold, and you would be buying stolen gold from him which would result in your ban. its ok for r2p cuz hes above rules

gotta love those shiny new adverts.... help paying for sythes days in the bush