Viou / un just dude

[S]

Maybe the next time he posts a pardon it will actually be voted on based on the facts of the situation rather than the personal grudges people hold against him.

He won't be pardoning again.

Irony in this is that Karl is banned for owing Arcus like 5B.

 

[AdamsGoldShop]

R2p should clearly be banned. No clue what he did, I just want more profit ok

support

 

[Apith]

That's a pretty lousy statement. An ad deal was only negotiated after he was unbanned, and I didn't have anything to do with his ban or unban, you can ask the staff responsible.

Let me see if I can address the griefing in this thread:
- Viou was banned for publishing a how-to-scam guide.
- Just un dude, as I understand it, was banned for selling duped gold as regular gold. This is fraud similar to selling, for example, petrol cut with ethanol as regular petrol.

So can someone explain to me how r2p is in the same boat as these guys?

When Viou was banned you mentioned that knowingly buying stolen goods can result in a ban. And everyone said that every big trader must have bought gold that was obtained illegitimately. But there was no proof that they knew.

The issue is in the report when trax's account was banned whilst in r2p's possession, R2P posted that he did some research on Trax and that Trax was a black hat member. R2P also said that the gold trax was selling him was most likely obtained illegitimately. I feel like R2P was trying to avoid paying, or at least paying half where the 2 parties would share the loss.

When Trax got his account unbanned, it had all the gold in it. R2P still proceeded, while knowing and previously said himself that the gold was most likely obtained illegitimately, to buy the gold off him.

In short, r2p bought gold he claimed was most likely stolen.

R2P's defense is if he was expected to pay for it when the account was banned, he would be expected to pay for it if it got banned again. So it was only fair he bought the gold to prevent this possible future scenario.

 

[R2Pleasent]

If I hadn't taken quick action with the Traxar trade, I would be out $750 and he'd have all the GP on his account. As for the dispute between us, I was arguing that Traxar should have split responsibility in the trade. I made my case. Everyone is entitled to make their case and have a third party rule on the decision. This is how disagreements are handled. Just because you don't agree with my arguments doesn't mean I should have no opportunity to present them.

It's not like I was refusing to pay him either. I just told him I wanted us to have it ruled on by a third party.

 

[I use range]

It's not like I was refusing to pay him either..

anddddddd



bullshit

 

[hey guys]

wut...

 

When Viou was banned you mentioned that knowingly buying stolen goods can result in a ban. And everyone said that every big trader must have bought gold that was obtained illegitimately. But there was no proof that they knew.

The issue is in the report when trax's account was banned whilst in r2p's possession, R2P posted that he did some research on Trax and that Trax was a black hat member. R2P also said that the gold trax was selling him was most likely obtained illegitimately. I feel like R2P was trying to avoid paying, or at least paying half where the 2 parties would share the loss.

When Trax got his account unbanned, it had all the gold in it. R2P still proceeded, while knowing and previously said himself that the gold was most likely obtained illegitimately, to buy the gold off him.

In short, r2p bought gold he claimed was most likely stolen.

R2P's defense is if he was expected to pay for it when the account was banned, he would be expected to pay for it if it got banned again. So it was only fair he bought the gold to prevent this possible future scenario.

So, the trade commenced before the account was banned and before R2P learned of the counter-party's blackhat activities. Therefore when the trade was made there was no reasonable assumption that the gold on the account was stolen. When the account was unbanned the contract of sale went ahead because no actual evidence of stolen gold existed to allow exit from the agreement to sell? This seems pretty routine to me. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Like if I agree to buy a car then try to back out of the agreement on the realisation that the car dealer is a bit sketchy -- this is usually frowned upon and many courts will uphold the agreement.

 

[funbox]

So, the trade commenced before the account was banned and before R2P learned of the counter-party's blackhat activities.

No, while the argument commenced in the report section between them both+staff, R2 brought up the fact that he knew he had black hat activities;

I have brought up Traxar's interesting account history on:

- Hackforums
- ForumKorner

And he has now gone to the liberty of editing all his previous sythe posts with his old contact information. Fortunately, I took screenshots.

http://gyazo.com/fbbc5e322bfba8a4e383792fe4820690
http://gyazo.com/5daadaaa9d92926d2456309e18a8b170
http://gyazo.com/8ce9ebc77d88e6c0ebd61c4e166e58f0

Seems he is banned on the following accounts on HF:

- Payphone
- Bikini

And Forumkorner on: http://www.forumkorner.org/user-15941.html

Few notes on what the mods have said:

- This account was in my possession for under 9 minutes total
- Not 1 GP made it off the account before it was insta-banned
- His current Skype name is "Rooted.exe"

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1634712-r2pleasent.html post #15

He didn't stated what they where tho, but if he found out which hackforums account he had, he obviously saw his posts. This was when lazy reported him ;http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1634940-traxar-scammer.html


He knew that traxar had blackhat activities before they agreed to tradr the gp (aftersomehow getting the account banned with the gp in it) and you can clearly see after his 15th post (after he states he knows traxar's a hacker) he agrees to buy the gp.




edit; in short, r2 knew he was a hacker with blackhat activities, he just didn't report him. the trade commenced after r2 tried to blackmail him via stating the above quote.

 

No, while the argument commenced in the report section between them both+staff, R2 brought up the fact that he knew he had black hat activities;


http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1634712-r2pleasent.html post #15

He didn't stated what they where tho, but if he found out which hackforums account he had, he obviously saw his posts. This was when lazy reported him ;http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1634940-traxar-scammer.html


He knew that traxar had blackhat activities before they agreed to tradr the gp (aftersomehow getting the account banned with the gp in it) and you can clearly see after his 15th post (after he states he knows traxar's a hacker) he agrees to buy the gp.




edit; in short, r2 knew he was a hacker with blackhat activities, he just didn't report him. the trade commenced after r2 tried to blackmail him via stating the above quote.

Based on what was written I can't see anything that indicates he reasonably suspected that the blue phat was stolen before the trade. Maybe you can direct me to the exact quote?

 

[Shin]

Frowning at the blackmailing.

 

[funbox]

Based on what was written I can't see anything that indicates he reasonably suspected that the blue phat was stolen before the trade. Maybe you can direct me to the exact quote?

well it doesn't exactly show any proof of the parthat being hacked..

but*

Link to current Sythe account:
http://www.sythe.org/members/311307-traxar.html

Reason for Ban:
User is an offsite hacker.

HF Account (Payphone): http://www.hackforums.net/member.php?action=profile&uid=932220
Proof it's his HF Account: http://www.sythe.org/12811087-post16.html

All the images in the report show that he was into Ratting ~ aka hacking


and when he tried to black mail him he stated what accounts he had on hackforums, meaning he did see his threads/posts or else he wouldn't try to blackmail him with it.



Well in short, there isn't and can't be 100% proof what he hacked/phat hacked etc etc, but the fact hat he was ratting(trixar) and he still bought gp off him, in my opinion still clearly shows he bought hacked gp

 

your also missing the point of viou's case. He was selling a guide on how to avoid being charged back by hackers/phishers when you buy their gold. It was taken out of context and he still remains banned. If all other gp sellers r getting a week to clean up there acts then viou deserves his 2nd chance as well. Viou was a great member here, he had 100's of vouches and handled over 20k+. We just want the same rules applied to everyone.

Un just dude was banned for lying to staff about the gold dupe. If you look at the reports etc. You can see he's asked if he obtained the gold through a certain dupe. he states no, because he was using another dupe. Its not that he lied he just re-framed from releasing all the information. Karl had a gambling issue and owed arcus 2b. He asked for knowledge about the dupe. Un just dude refused to tell him. Karl got pissed and banned him. I think it was more about the fact that he was making bils and everyone wanted in on it.

my 2 cents

 

[Grave]

There's only 2 reasons I think R2Pleasent should be banned, and they're both pretty old. First reason is making my worker void his contract by working for him, and the second is the stupid 50B trade he did all wrong, purposely or not, and cost the guy 20 grand in loss.

The case I brought against him was moved to the staff lounge, pretty much a private court, and dismissed, so whatever.

 

[Delta Squad]

looks like someone called in the big dawg to back him up.

this is why i have no respect for dis site.

 

[Apith]

So, the trade commenced before the account was banned and before R2P learned of the counter-party's blackhat activities. Therefore when the trade was made there was no reasonable assumption that the gold on the account was stolen. When the account was unbanned the contract of sale went ahead because no actual evidence of stolen gold existed to allow exit from the agreement to sell? This seems pretty routine to me. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Like if I agree to buy a car then try to back out of the agreement on the realisation that the car dealer is a bit sketchy -- this is usually frowned upon and many courts will uphold the agreement.

Correct. But r2p made the claim that the phat was most likely stolen.

Wouldnt you back out of the deal if you believe and told people that the car you were supposed to buy was most likely stolen? And buying a stolen car is punishable on Sythe, well with gold.

R2P also says that trax refused to confirm the account was unbanned with all the gold in it, which is why he thought if he didnt buy it, the guy could just claim he was banned. Basically he was threatened by a possible scam, and the trade could have been avoided if a staff was involved.

http://www.sythe.org/12813542-post135.html

 

[BGlave]

has anyone tried the chicken from mc donalds? if so how does it taste?

 

[Alex12345]

has anyone tried the chicken from mc donalds? if so how does it taste?

simply divine

 

[Delta Squad]

has anyone tried the chicken from mc donalds? if so how does it taste?

you know its not real chicken right? it ground up bones.

 

looks like someone called in the big dawg to back him up.

this is why i have no respect for dis site.

makes u wonder if he was browsing his site and seen this. Or was he asked to make a presence here by another user.....

 

[Delta Squad]

makes u wonder if he was browsing his site and seen this. Or was he asked to make a presence here by another user.....

indeed, as i never see him in SF ne more.

and the soab needs to read the pm i sent him like a week ago