Viou / un just dude

[Heeatz]

then why are you in the sf? you feel then eed to defend yourself why? because you know you are only here because sythe din't want to ban all his top gold sellers. in theory if the idiots who make the rules would enforce them on every equally like they should, instead of only applying the rules to people when they see fit, you wouldn't be here, and you know it.


basicly you are just like the other vading scum that infest this site.

i'd like to offer my support. dont mind me.

 

[Heads447]

http://www.sythe.org/graphics-marketplace/1635431-need-new-sythe-banner.html

Someone make the poor guy a worthy banner :/

 

[Delta Squad]

nort american company>
every worker is chinese

 

[Xier0]

If you have such a big problem with their bans, go ahead and bitch at somebody else. Has nothing to do with me. I've earned my fucking stripes on Sythe.org, I've been here for 6 years and you kids act like I am ruining the website. Try doing 10,000's of trades and see how it goes for you, I'm sure you'll never make a single mistake.

You claim all this legitimacy and experience, then you scam someone out of $750 and have Staff tell you that you have to pay them. Seems like an issue someone with 6 years of experience shouldn't even have to bring up with staff since you boast six figure profits, $750 shouldn't be shit to you amirite?

 

2k+ for a shiny, new advert keeps him here

 

[AmitZ]

revoke r2ps highly trusted rank instead of a ban

solved

 

Am I the only one who thinks he still deserves his rank? He's traded more than everyone on this thread combined has. I've only ever seen him in trouble once and everyone pounces on the poor guy.

 

[AmitZ]

Am I the only one who thinks he still deserves his rank? He's traded more than everyone on this thread combined has. I've only ever seen him in trouble once and everyone pounces on the poor guy.

wow r u looking 2 create some kind of conspiracy bro

sad sythe operations

 

[l0llyp0pst3r]

R2 has traded on sythe for like 6 years and is the number one seller. He prob has done more than 10k trades legitly. I feel he shoudnt be punished for one mistake he may have made as he still is trusted as shit and the amount of dedication he put into sythe.

 

[Endrit007]

Am I the only one who thinks he still deserves his rank? He's traded more than everyone on this thread combined has. I've only ever seen him in trouble once and everyone pounces on the poor guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDrXS_Z25jw&feature=youtu.be

watch that vid, she even tried to buy 2 bil for 50 dollars.

 

2k+ for a shiny, new advert keeps him here

That's a pretty lousy statement. An ad deal was only negotiated after he was unbanned, and I didn't have anything to do with his ban or unban, you can ask the staff responsible.

Let me see if I can address the griefing in this thread:
- Viou was banned for publishing a how-to-scam guide.
- Just un dude, as I understand it, was banned for selling duped gold as regular gold. This is fraud similar to selling, for example, petrol cut with ethanol as regular petrol.

So can someone explain to me how r2p is in the same boat as these guys?

 

[Emperor Nero]

That's a pretty lousy statement. An ad deal was only negotiated after he was unbanned, and I didn't have anything to do with his ban or unban, you can ask the staff responsible.

Let me see if I can address the griefing in this thread:
- Viou was banned for publishing a how-to-scam guide.
- Just un dude, as I understand it, was banned for selling duped gold as regular gold. This is fraud similar to selling, for example, petrol cut with ethanol as regular petrol.

So can someone explain to me how r2p is in the same boat as these guys?

I supported Just un Dude's ban because I recognize the fraud and the danger it presented to others. Viou's I wasn't around for due to... extenuating circumstances. I would have to see the guide to make an argument, but I believe that OP's point is that Viou was used to make an example that gold sellers aren't invulnerable. The point that 'Well it's your friends stuff so you might be able to sell it' isn't really a valid argument. Even if you are best friends with the person, if you're worried that the items might be discovered missing any reasonable person would assume that the goods were gotten through less-than-honest means.

It would be the equivalent of someone running up to you on the street and being like "Hey, I got this stuff that I took from my friend that I want to sell you." You're like "Sure, sure" and then he says "I hope he hasn't come home yet" or something similar to that. It throws up a red flag, that isn't what a reasonable person says when trying to sell stuff for their friend.

 

The point that 'Well it's your friends stuff so you might be able to sell it' isn't really a valid argument. Even if you are best friends with the person, if you're worried that the items might be discovered missing any reasonable person would assume that the goods were gotten through less-than-honest means.

It would be the equivalent of someone running up to you on the street and being like "Hey, I got this stuff that I took from my friend that I want to sell you." You're like "Sure, sure" and then he says "I hope he hasn't come home yet" or something similar to that. It throws up a red flag, that isn't what a reasonable person says when trying to sell stuff for their friend.

That's not what was said though.

To fix your analogy: "I got this money selling my friend's stuff, can I buy something from you?"

I agree it's highly sketchy but it's not the same as "I stole this money, can I buy something from you?"

The rep definitely should have asked the seller to clarify who had the rights to the gold.

Incidentally, was any stolen gold actually sold to R2P's company?

 

[Time To Buy]

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Reply to my pm plox

 

[Punjabi3]

That's a pretty lousy statement. An ad deal was only negotiated after he was unbanned, and I didn't have anything to do with his ban or unban, you can ask the staff responsible.

Let me see if I can address the griefing in this thread:
- Viou was banned for publishing a how-to-scam guide.
- Just un dude, as I understand it, was banned for selling duped gold as regular gold. This is fraud similar to selling, for example, petrol cut with ethanol as regular petrol.

So can someone explain to me how r2p is in the same boat as these guys?

Just un was banned for something people were doing months before he did it, N4n0, bsgpseller, and a few others all sold duped gold before just un discovered his dupe, karl was curious as to how he could be making bills whereas the crucible dupe could only make a few mils. I'm sure karl's personal financial situation had something to do with his ban as well but the reason he was banned was for calling karl a lier, originally he was given a twc + market ban but then karl started saying stuff about him which weren't true so he pmed karl and karl banned him.

It's more about the double standard that's set, the matkias guy offloaded billions of gold to resellers here and was never banned. The resellers never admitted they sold duped gold but if you look under just un dudes or matkias' PA/ sythe vouches you can see how much gold was offloaded to resellers, Grave even offered to buy the duped gp at a discounted price but never stated in his sale thread he was selling duped gp.

The whole buying and selling stolen gp thing didn't promote due diligence in companies all it promoted was to be ignorant of the fact. I'm sure gold buyers still buy stolen gp considering the mark up you can put on it, all they have to do now is say they didn't know it was stolen and they'll be fine.

 

I agree it's highly sketchy

Support

 

That's a pretty lousy statement. An ad deal was only negotiated after he was unbanned, and I didn't have anything to do with his ban or unban, you can ask the staff responsible.

just rustling your jimjams lol, as weezy would say - don't mind me

 

Just un was banned for something people were doing months before he did it, N4n0, bsgpseller, and a few others all sold duped gold before just un discovered his dupe, karl was curious as to how he could be making bills whereas the crucible dupe could only make a few mils. I'm sure karl's personal financial situation had something to do with his ban as well but the reason he was banned was for calling karl a lier, originally he was given a twc + market ban but then karl started saying stuff about him which weren't true so he pmed karl and karl banned him.

It's more about the double standard that's set, the matkias guy offloaded billions of gold to resellers here and was never banned. The resellers never admitted they sold duped gold but if you look under just un dudes or matkias' PA/ sythe vouches you can see how much gold was offloaded to resellers, Grave even offered to buy the duped gp at a discounted price but never stated in his sale thread he was selling duped gp.

The whole buying and selling stolen gp thing didn't promote due diligence in companies all it promoted was to be ignorant of the fact. I'm sure gold buyers still buy stolen gp considering the mark up you can put on it, all they have to do now is say they didn't know it was stolen and they'll be fine.

There isn't a double standard. Let me explain my position on what we do here at sythe.org:

If there is a case or controversy to be heard then any current member can file a dispute against any other member.

Our dispute system is adversarial. My point is simply this: If you or someone you know is wronged by a sythe.org member, you are entitled to bring a dispute and we will listen and adjudicate it against our rules. I don't know what else I can offer you.

All members are equally entitled to this dispute resolution service.

You allege various people sold or received stolen gold or duped gold, or whatever. I have no way of knowing if any of this is true. It is currently hearsay. If on the other hand the people wronged in these cases would bring disputes and present evidence, then that's something we can act upon.

 

[R2Pleasent]

I will speak with Anne about the situation. Obviously the language barrier is an issue, but she should be more observant.

 

[Punjabi3]

There isn't a double standard. Let me explain my position on what we do here at sythe.org:

If there is a case or controversy to be heard then any current member can file a dispute against any other member.

Our dispute system is adversarial. My point is simply this: If you or someone you know is wronged by a sythe.org member, you are entitled to bring a dispute and we will listen and adjudicate it against our rules. I don't know what else I can offer you.

All members are equally entitled to this dispute resolution service.

You allege various people sold or received stolen gold or duped gold, or whatever. I have no way of knowing if any of this is true. It is currently hearsay. If on the other hand the people wronged in these cases would bring disputes and present evidence, then that's something we can act upon.

Just un presented his pardon, provided proof nobody apart from the dupers were punished and provided proof multiple times karl banned him based on a pm. Now he's staying banned because some people on staff don't like him. He didn't even lie to be honest, when I figured out he was duping I asked him if it was the crucible dupe and he said no, after I asked him if it was duped he told me it was. The staff asked him the exact same question asking if it was duped by crucible he said no, but he didn't reply saying it was duped. He could have handled it better but at the time he wasn't the only one duping and definitely wasn't the only one selling duped gold.

Here's his pardon http://www.sythe.org/dispute-forum-archive/1623965-pardon-request.html if you wanted to read it. He wasn't really even permed for lying, he was permed for calling karl a liar.

Maybe the next time he posts a pardon it will actually be voted on based on the facts of the situation rather than the personal grudges people hold against him.