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Viou - Forum ban (community general)

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Viou

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Govind said:
Dear Viou,

You have been banned from the following forum(s):
Community General

Unban Date: 12-05-2011 06:34 PM
Reason for the ban:
Stirring up anti-staff sentiment. Come back when you have something to post that you haven't posted 50000 times already.

-Govind

I’d like to start off this dispute by saying that I am heavily invested in Sythe.org and I owe a lot financially to this site. I am online every day for more than 12 hours and during my extensive time here I’ve come to love Sythe. As a result, I’ve tried my absolute best to contribute in a positive way to both the marketplace and the community as a whole during my year of activity.

I’ve reported hundreds of posts, from spamming to phishing and everywhere in between. I’ve compiled dozens of scam reports and contributed crucial evidence to many investigations. I’ve donated $500 to the site to aid its continued existence into the foreseeable future. I’ve completed thousands of successful trades and I am one of the most heavily vouched and trusted users in the history of the site. I’ve also bought more gold than any other marketplace user. I try my best to deliver outstanding customer service and I truly enjoy helping people understand how to navigate the difficult trading atmosphere.

I am heavily invested in Sythe’s future. I intentionally did not devote my time to its biggest competitor, powerbot.org. I truly believe that my presence on Sythe is very beneficial and draws attention to the site as a whole by emphasizing the ability to trade safely, especially for large amounts, because after all, Sythe is the self-proclaimed “craiglist of virtual goods.”

I’ve also been a very vocal member during several controversial events, in particular events where I felt like the staff was acting out of line with this mantra. Specific examples that come to mind are Plznate’s scamming episodes, n4n0’s scamming history, vietballer’s OMM scam, and Louis’ terrible job as an OMM. If my reaction seems extreme, perhaps that is just because the future of sythe as a leader in the runescape marketplace is so critical to my continued success.

That said, I want to first comment that in no way were my comments meant to stir up anti-staff sentiment. I was and still am very upset about the whole was this “sting” was handled. I do not think my comments warranted a forum ban.

Onto the specific incident, the fake hacking of n4n0’s MSN.

I stand by my previous comments; I am still unimpressed with this ordeal. Creating such a huge spectacle was totally unnecessary. I understand and agree that the staff had good intentions—banning scammers. Nonetheless, the means do not justify the ends.

Not only was this episode entrapment, it seems now to be bordering on coercion. After hearing that n4n0 actually solicited a member (or members) and tempted him to fake a scam, I am even more upset. Coercing users into scamming is a very quick way to implode the integrity that is the root of the marketplace. This activity is extremely deceitful and immature. Also, as I recall, there were additional posts on the original "n4n0’s MSN was hacke"d thread that the hacker (n4n0 and Govind) solicited many users and offered them a split if they would fake a frame on the forum.

Considering that this was posted by multiple users, I can only ask, seriously? This kind of activity does not create a safer marketplace or boost the reputation of Sythe as the leading runescape blackmarket.

Additionally, this activity does not benefit the site as a whole in any way. As stated previously, both the quality and quantity of the users that were banned were extremely low. Creating such a scene over this was highly unnecessary. I truly believe that instead of being “innovative,” the staff’s efforts would be better spent improving existing systems. There are many scammers in the gold buying forum, for example, which are not banned as fast as they should be. Scammers reports can always be improved on. This is very frustrating to me, as a reputation where people go to get scammed is the last thing I want sythe to have.

When an OMM posts this:
Originally Posted by Hahanerd
Trololol. I fucking laughed so hard.
I have to ask, is trolling a trait that we should admire in our head OMM and administrators? The answer: No.

It seems that Govind and n4n0 are placing themselves on a moral high ground and granting themselves immunity for coming up with such a stunt. Fact is, if I did this, I can guarantee I’d be banned. This activity was a total abuse of power.

I’ve read over all of my comments and I honestly think that banning me from the forum because I disagreed and claimed things like that this activity was “deceitful, immature, childish, dishonest, immature, etc” was a bit of an abuse of power in and of itself.

I request to have my forum banned lifted so that I may view the current developments and either change or confirm my original statements. I thank you for taking this into consideration and I look forward to whoever responds.

To conclude, I was not stirring up anti-staff sentiment, 99% of the time I believe the staff does an excellent job and I make sure to go out of my way to let those who perform to know that they are doing well. I vehemently disagree with this activity and I think you must have misinterpreted my posts to have come to a decision that warranted a forum ban.

Thank you for reading this appeal and I look forward to the prompt response by whoever answers this.
 
100% support the removal of this unfair ban. It's either going to have to be reconsidered by Govind or removed by Matthew or Sythe personally. Either way, I hope one of those three has the sense to not allow censorship of this magnitude.
 
100% support the removal of this unfair ban. It's either going to have to be reconsidered by Govind or removed by Matthew or Sythe personally. Either way, I hope one of those three has the sense to not allow censorship of this magnitude.

Thank you for your support, means a lot to me.

Edit: I apologize if I had any facts wrong in this post, if that is the case that is simply due to me being uninformed or misinformed because I am not currently allowed to view the community general forum section.
 
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It wasn't done for censorship. I've explained this in the IRC earlier.

You were misusing the word entrapment and causing unnecessary drama on the thread. I didn't delete any of your posts; I have nothing to hide. I just thought putting up with the trouble you were causing was a waste of my time.

This ban is temporary and you're free to continue posting on that thread once it expires, so long as you do not misuse terminology to incite sentiment against the staff.

Again, in this thread, you're inappropriately accusing us of entrapment and coercion, when it's been made clear, several times, that every single person who was banned forged proof of their own free will. The one time n4n0 stepped out of line has been apologized for, and that incident didn't result in anyone being banned.

Unless you're willing to grab a dictionary and look up what these words mean before accusing us of them, I see no reason to consider removing your ban prematurely.
 
The ban is for two days, I think a cool-out period is best.. you got quite heated about this, what done is done, and at the end of the day we did get results, Sythe is aware and has passed comment on the situation.
 
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I was behind Govind on this ban before he placed it, and I'm with him on it now.

As Karl said, take your two days to cool off and you'll be welcomed back to the Community General with open arms.
 
It wasn't done for censorship. I've explained this in the IRC earlier.

You were misusing the word entrapment and causing unnecessary drama on the thread. I didn't delete any of your posts; I have nothing to hide. I just thought putting up with the trouble you were causing was a waste of my time.

This ban is temporary and you're free to continue posting on that thread once it expires, so long as you do not misuse terminology to incite sentiment against the staff.

Again, in this thread, you're inappropriately accusing us of entrapment and coercion, when it's been made clear, several times, that every single person who was banned forged proof of their own free will. The one time n4n0 stepped out of line has been apologized for, and that incident didn't result in anyone being banned.

Unless you're willing to grab a dictionary and look up what these words mean before accusing us of them, I see no reason to consider removing your ban prematurely.

To quote wikipedia:

In criminal law, entrapment is conduct by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.

I disagree that I was inappropriately accusing n4n0 of entrapment because you acknowledge that he did indeed solicit someone, even though if it was just in one case. Regardless if it did not result in a ban. Therefore, I think my comments are justified, and as a direct result my ban is unwarranted as I was using the terminology correctly, and not, as you say, to "incite sentiment against the staff."

I respectfully ask for you to reconsider.
 
I'd like to have Viou unbanned. The issue has already been resolved in the staff lounge.
 
Seeing as the issue has been resolved, you're been unbanned, Viou. Thank you for your feedback throughout.

To the banned users: It's been decided by the staff and Sythe himself that there was no wrong doing involved. Like any other banned user; however, you're welcome to post a high pardon and have your individual case discussed. Please make sure you read the stickies and following them. A pardon isn't a ban dispute.
 
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