US is backing ISIL in Syria

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[cred]

Whats your opinion on the whole situation?

 

Whats your opinion on the whole situation?

Russia is too broke to be the aggressive "expansionist power" the western media make them out to be.

They are still trying to re-juggle borders after the collapse of the soviet union which resulted in some regions which are historically Russian being placed into other countries.

They are also trying to maintain and honour their military alliances even though it is expensive. The reason they need to do this is because NATO seems to want a war so badly with Russia, they are going to need these alliances to be firm for their own defense.

So they are stuck helping the Syrian government fight ISIL even though they can't really afford to and even though it draws them closer to war with the US.

Trump has widespread support inside Russia because he is the anti-war candidate in this election. No one wants war on either side except seemingly Obama, Biden, the Clintons and the media who are pushing it hard and have been for some time.

War is very profitable for a select few people with their fingers in a great many pies. The Clintons for example. It is also an extremely effective and versatile means of consolidating power. It allows suspension of normal rule of law in the home territory which places the framework of the country under purely political control.

I think the US are backing ISIL in Syria deliberately to start a war with Russia for the profit of a select few.

 

[cred]

Very interesting take. I don't think the US government initial plans was to deliberately start a war with Russia as they have invaded many middle east countries under false pretenses without anyone in the west blinking an eye. I think many people are becoming 'awake' to whats really going on. The globalisation of the world.

 

[68w_]

Russia is too broke to be the aggressive "expansionist power" the western media make them out to be.

They are still trying to re-juggle borders after the collapse of the soviet union which resulted in some regions which are historically Russian being placed into other countries.

They are also trying to maintain and honour their military alliances even though it is expensive. The reason they need to do this is because NATO seems to want a war so badly with Russia, they are going to need these alliances to be firm for their own defense.

So they are stuck helping the Syrian government fight ISIL even though they can't really afford to and even though it draws them closer to war with the US.

Trump has widespread support inside Russia because he is the anti-war candidate in this election. No one wants war on either side except seemingly Obama, Biden, the Clintons and the media who are pushing it hard and have been for some time.

War is very profitable for a select few people with their fingers in a great many pies. The Clintons for example. It is also an extremely effective and versatile means of consolidating power. It allows suspension of normal rule of law in the home territory which places the framework of the country under purely political control.

I think the US are backing ISIL in Syria deliberately to start a war with Russia for the profit of a select few.

My company commander's most recent deployment was with 5th SFG and he told me something interesting that happened when he was there. They had a joint COP with some ANA guys deep in central AF. If you've been there, or know anything about the country in general you'll know that most of the country is along the highways, all of which form a general loop around the country. Anyways, there was this dam that was being scheduled to be demolished for some reason, so on the COP there were these shipping containers (like 5 or 6 full sized containers) absolutely full with plastic explosive. The idea, was that instead of the US blowing the dam and causing economic/ecological turmoil in the area, the government would just sell it to the mujahedin. So after months of meetings between US leaders and the leaders of the people we're supposedly fighting over there, they struck the deal and delivered the containers to them in a mile long convoy, 4 hours outside of medevac range deep into central AF. Basically, the reason for all of my reply is that in no way am I surprised, and almost certain that ISIL is receiving US aid, in fact it was public knowledge not too long ago that the US was giving aid to "anti assad rebel groups". Hmm, I wonder who that could be.

 

[AbdulMalik]

I do not agree, as IS does not make alliances with foreign armies. The US attacked the Syrian Army, to weaken Russia indirectly. But...the thing is they, did it for themselves, for their plans, not for the sake of IS.

More exactly the US is pounding almost everything and everyone there. They are allies to the kurds, but also to the turks and they support FSA, Ahrar-Ash Sham....and other "moderate rebels".


It won´t last any much longer and the situation will explode even worse over there....listen to my words..

 

I do not agree, as IS does not make alliances with foreign armies. The US attacked the Syrian Army, to weaken Russia indirectly. But...the thing is they, did it for themselves, for their plans, not for the sake of IS.

More exactly the US is pounding almost everything and everyone there. They are allies to the kurds, but also to the turks and they support FSA, Ahrar-Ash Sham....and other "moderate rebels".


It won´t last any much longer and the situation will explode even worse over there....listen to my words..

who said anything about an alliance

the US is giving them guns explosives and money

 

[AbdulMalik]

They have no deal, they are giving it to them, through the local armies, who received them from the US after Sadams fall, as they lost alot of weapon depots. Only through the fall of Mosul they lost billions worth of weapons.
Still, it is true the US is giving them guns and explosives, indirectly altough.

 

[68w_]

They have no deal, they are giving it to them, through the local armies, who received them from the US after Sadams fall, as they lost alot of weapon depots. Only through the fall of Mosul they lost billions worth of weapons.
Still, it is true the US is giving them guns and explosives, indirectly altough.

Nah, dude. The way you describe it is how the US Government justifies it to the public. It's almost certain they are directly supplying them.

 

[AbdulMalik]

Almost certain is not certain, however, I am well informed through twitter, and understand their ideology, which prohibits alliances to others than muslims.

 

[Taxed]

Russia is too broke to be the aggressive "expansionist power" the western media make them out to be.

They are still trying to re-juggle borders after the collapse of the soviet union which resulted in some regions which are historically Russian being placed into other countries.

They are also trying to maintain and honour their military alliances even though it is expensive. The reason they need to do this is because NATO seems to want a war so badly with Russia, they are going to need these alliances to be firm for their own defense.

So they are stuck helping the Syrian government fight ISIL even though they can't really afford to and even though it draws them closer to war with the US.

Trump has widespread support inside Russia because he is the anti-war candidate in this election. No one wants war on either side except seemingly Obama, Biden, the Clintons and the media who are pushing it hard and have been for some time.

War is very profitable for a select few people with their fingers in a great many pies. The Clintons for example. It is also an extremely effective and versatile means of consolidating power. It allows suspension of normal rule of law in the home territory which places the framework of the country under purely political control.

I think the US are backing ISIL in Syria deliberately to start a war with Russia for the profit of a select few.

While I do agree with you that the Clintons, primarily Hillary Clinton, being war-hawks, Obama/Biden are definitely doves... lol.. He definitely doesn't want war, which has been a huge critique by many Republicans/Conservatives of letting Russia "slide" with "too much", I'm throwing quotations because I partially agree with you that Russia isn't as bad as the garbage media spews..

As for US backing ISIL that's preposterous, I've studied and written a research paper on ISIL, and the conflict in Syria. Syria is a very destabilized country. There's three different groups in Syria at the moment that are at conflict, Assad and Putin, ISIL, and the rebels backed by the U.S. military. The U.S. military is not backing ISIL, ISIL was created against both the Assad Regime and against the rebels backed by the U.S. military. Whoever, wherever you took this information of "ISIL being back by the U.S. military" is highly misguided.

Also take a look at where this video gets its information from..
State Dept. Threatens Terror Attacks in Russia if Moscow Keeps Fighting ISIS

If you observe the video...

Russia Today is the opposite spectrum of U.S. media which is highly filled with propaganda from the opposite side.

 

[Taxed]

Nah, dude. The way you describe it is how the US Government justifies it to the public. It's almost certain they are directly supplying them.

You are very wrong lol, read my post above.

 

As for US backing ISIL that's preposterous, I've studied and written a research paper on ISIL, and the conflict in Syria. Syria is a very destabilized country. There's three different groups in Syria at the moment that are at conflict, Assad and Putin, ISIL, and the rebels backed by the U.S. military. The U.S. military is not backing ISIL, ISIL was created against both the Assad Regime and against the rebels backed by the U.S. military. Whoever, wherever you took this information of "ISIL being back by the U.S. military" is highly misguided.

Kek you're not very good at decoding propaganda are you? Robert Fisk: After splitting with Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra is being presented as 'moderate'. It is not

 

[Taxed]

Kek you're not very good at decoding propaganda are you? Robert Fisk: After splitting with Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra is being presented as 'moderate'. It is not

Brother...

you're throwing me one article.. I can throw you +10 scholarly counter articles debunking this theory when I get home.

Unless you want to argue that professors + scholars around the country are spewing propaganda

Thats not even a reputable source..

 

Brother...

you're throwing me one article.. I can throw you +10 scholarly counter articles debunking this theory when I get home.

Unless you want to argue that professors + scholars around the country are spewing propaganda

Thats not even a reputable source..

yes of course they are lol

there's only two real competing forces on the ground: those who want a western type state and those who want sharia law

 

[Taxed]

Watch this video brother...

You'll understand it much better

 

[Death1738]

holy fuck that video was informative ^ lmao

 

[AbdulMalik]

Dude IS is not backed by USA, I knew many people who went there, and shortly had contact with some, in the capital city of Raqqa. They are at full war with USA.

So yeah you can argue whatever you want and bring your articles, I tell you what I know from people going there. I even was due to my contacts called to the constitution protection of my country and was surveilled.

So believe what you want. IS is not backed directly by them