U.S.A Gun Control

[slysteeler]

The fact that England has 3x the violent crime rate that the U.S. has kind of defeats the argument of European gun law doesnt it?

England isn't the only country in Europe.

 

[collier1157]

Can anyone in America just go into a shop and buy a gun?

 

[Saint Grimm]

Its sad to say but i don't think gun laws in the states will ever change. It doesn't matter if 1000 kids died. People are selfish and think they have the "right" to anything they want.

EDIT: the constitution was made the protect the U.S citizens. This isn't protecting anyone. George washington is rolling over in his grave right now.

So you think they should have stronger gun policies? outlaw guns all together? Last I checked meth was illegal. I could walk about a mile up the road and get an 8ball of meth right out of the cooker.

Cocaine is illegal. I used to get 100% pure coke for 200 a gram and flip it for double profits.

Weed is illegal, but I spent about 98% of my teen years blazed out of my mind and I think a study showed that OVER 75% of americans smoked pot, correct me if I'm wrong, dont worry, i know YOU will.

My point? Yeah you can make guns 100% illegal just like meth, coke and pot. But what you can't do it stop people from getting them. If guns were maid 100% illegal in america next week, I would say I could have 5 different sources to get any gun I wanted within 3 months time. It wont fix anything. If someone is gonna kill a bunch of kids or grownups or whatever, they are going to do it regardless. Criminals will still obtain guns. Alot of normal people probably will too.

So you think the policy should be stricter and only let hunters have hunting rifles and nothing else? I'm not sure if you were aware of this.... But people who do shit like this dont usually decide to do so over night. So say they make the time to get a license for hunting and a rifle 6 months long. Well shit, thats just 6 more months people have to contemplate their plans, perfect them and get away with them.... cuz incase you didn't know this either, a gun built to kill a deer will also kill a human. Making certain kinds of guns illegal will not protect your kids at school. making all guns illegal will most likely just put people in harms way even more.


I heard, I havnt done in research on it, so it may just be a rumor, that they are considering a program in Texas to put teachers through training and then allow them to carry a gun to school in order to protect their students. This is possibly the best way to keep your kids safe at school.

Can anyone in America just go into a shop and buy a gun?

Contrary to popular belief. NO!!! There is a background check. You have to be atleast 16 to get a hunting rifle as well as a parent/guardian with you. You have to obtain a license for the gun, but at 16 this will be under your parents name, so you will have to go back at 18 and get the license in your name if you are moving out and planning to take the gun with you. You must be 21 to purchase a shotgun/hand gun and the background checks in this area are MUCH more strict. If you have a felony on your record you are not able to legally obtain a shotgun or handgun! The people you here about going into stores and walking out with a gun the same day without background checks or anything is going to an underground store that is ILLEGAL.

However there are "fairs" held by private gun collectors that do not require background checks as it is considered to be one private owner selling to another owner. You get a receipt that shows when you bought the gun and stuff and you have a certain amount of time to get it licensed. however guns at these "shows" are VERY expensive and unless the guns are antiques it would only be worth the purchase to a criminal, who would most likely just go buy the gun off the street for much much cheaper anyway.

 

[historyles]

To collier- it depends on what type of gun you are looking to purchase. When i turned 18, i went into a gun barn and bought my first shotgun with $250 & my drivers licence is all i needed.

 

[mage3158]

England isn't the only country in Europe.

It just proves that gun availability isn't directly tied to the committing of violent crimes.

There is another reason why people are becoming victims of violent crimes, and guns are just becoming a scapegoat.

 

[slysteeler]

It just proves that gun availability isn't directly tied to the committing of violent crimes.

There is another reason why people are becoming victims of violent crimes, and guns are just becoming a scapegoat.

But there is a link between gun availability and mass shootings, which is why the issue of gun control arose in the first place. I would rather be attacked by a knife, baseball bat or punched in the face, than get shot by a gun. There's a higher likelihood of me being able to survive in a situation where a gun is not used.

 

[mage3158]

But there is a link between gun availability and mass shootings

I don't feel that the availability of guns is the reason, that just doesn't seem correct to me.
Correlation doesn't equal causation.

 

[Poke RWT]

Honestly, if everyone would stop being such a little b*tch about weapons, and carried one themselves, people would not die. Seem wrong? Let me ask you this, it takes 1 crazy person to run into a school with a gun and start shooting, but if every teacher in that school had a weapon of their own, I GUARANTEE that less then 1/4 of the people would be dead. Also, they are a deterrent, if everyone had a weapon, would someone feel as safe to go in and start shooting?

I'm sure there's people that are going to be against that, but here's another question for you, If they pass a bill saying guns can no longer be legally owned in america(I doubt that would ever happen, but lets imagine), would that stop the criminals from gaining weapons and using them anyways? Does making addicting drugs illegal make them impossible to get? No to both questions, just because you make something illegal does not make it safe, in fact it makes you the opposite.

People are trying to use this type of event to control the public, by making them think that banning guns would make everyone safe, I mean honestly, are people that dense? Banning guns from the common person takes away any chance they have to defend themselves, then the only people with weapons are the criminals and the Government? Who do you think is trying to control you more?

So dumb,
If everyone had a gun, there'd be people mentally shitting themselves of fear, I know I would be, I would nearly never argue with anyone or do anything I think is fun that would annoy anyone, so many arguments against that.

IMO there should be nearly no guns in the world, except police, army, properly trained hunters and be much more strict on the gun license

 

[mage3158]

If everyone had a gun, there'd be people mentally shitting themselves of fear

I live in Florida, one of the most lenient states in terms of gun laws in the whole country. Any citizen can conceal carry as long as they're above the age of 21 and went through the simple process of getting the license.

Let's just say a lot of people have guns here, and I can tell you no one is living in fear because of it.

 

[ssarekcuf]

Gun laws cause people died from guns would be like laws on physical contact cause people died from disease...Just plain retarded.

 

[Luffy D. Monkey]

Everything should stay as it is , it is sad that kids died but it is something we can try to avoid but not stop from happening. I dont get why they want to punish assault rifle owners just because some guy that needed help commited a crime , it is the mothers fault for not payin attention to her son and having those guns eazy to get

 

[djweasel]

I personally believe we should be allowed the right to bear arms. I own more than one gun and would use them in self defense. Everyone makes a deal outta these kids getting guns, it's just like weed, make it illegal and it's still gonna happen or be obtained.

 

[Lord LaLa]

Like mentioned before, i do think something should change but i doubt anything will. Although the main thing i do hope changes, is that you should have to licence guns bought at private gun shows, and also guns over 100 years old, as it is nearing the time where you can soon leagaly buy a decent machine gun (yes although it will have been made WW2 era [basing it on in the next 20+ years]) that they can still fire at a decent pace and with decent damage.

 

[Sacro]

Lord LaLa, whether or not anybody is willing to admit it, you truly don't need a "machine gun", or even a "assault rifle" to commit mass murders. Sandy Hook in example, had no rifle used at all, strictly handguns. Now, to effectively protect ourselves from people like this, we need not ban weapons, but attempt to strengthen our defense and stop creating strangulation points where people can easily become victims. When I form a tactical plan, I never leave my team without a plan of egress, or a superior line of fire. School Zones should not be "Gun Free", the resource officer should be armed, and trained to handle situations like this. By leaving yourself unarmed, you leave yourself at the mercy of an attacker, that frankly will have a weapon and do his doing even if you attempt to "ban" them (which truthfully will never happen in the US.) In the UK, where nobody has a fear of being shot, that is why there is so much more violent crime as I pointed out.

In regards to school safety, I believe that every school resource officer should be armed, and assigned a working dog to do daily checks for firearms and explosives. Mandatory. Having experience with these dogs has solidified my confidence in them, and for the price of kibble daily, you have a very effective means of keeping weapons, narcotics, and would-be attackers at bay.

 

[SuF]

Lord LaLa, whether or not anybody is willing to admit it, you truly don't need a "machine gun", or even a "assault rifle" to commit mass murders. Sandy Hook in example, had no rifle used at all, strictly handguns. Now, to effectively protect ourselves from people like this, we need not ban weapons, but attempt to strengthen our defense and stop creating strangulation points where people can easily become victims. When I form a tactical plan, I never leave my team without a plan of egress, or a superior line of fire. School Zones should not be "Gun Free", the resource officer should be armed, and trained to handle situations like this. By leaving yourself unarmed, you leave yourself at the mercy of an attacker, that frankly will have a weapon and do his doing even if you attempt to "ban" them (which truthfully will never happen in the US.) In the UK, where nobody has a fear of being shot, that is why there is so much more violent crime as I pointed out.

In regards to school safety, I believe that every school resource officer should be armed, and assigned a working dog to do daily checks for firearms and explosives. Mandatory. Having experience with these dogs has solidified my confidence in them, and for the price of kibble daily, you have a very effective means of keeping weapons, narcotics, and would-be attackers at bay.

I'm fairly sure he had and used an AR?

 

[Sacro]

I'm fairly sure he had and used an AR?

Nope, wasn't even in possession of an AR.

CBS, NBC, and ABC have all admitted that no assault rifle was found on the shooter. The only "rifle" even found on the property was in a car not belonging to him, and it was a shotgun.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 <--

 

[djweasel]

Can anyone in America just go into a shop and buy a gun?

No, theres alot of a process to get unless you buy directly from someone else.

 

[Sacro]

Heres a little fun tidbit of reading too.

Great Brittain:
In 1987 a lone gunman killed 18 people in Hungerford. What followed was the Firearms Act of 1988 making registration mandatory and banning semi-automatic guns and pump-action shotguns. Despite this ban, on March 13, 1996 a disturbed 43-year old former scout leader, Thomas Hamilton, murdered 16 school children aged five and six and a teacher at a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland. Within a year and a half the Firearms Act was amended to ban all private ownership of hand guns. After both shootings there were amnesty periods resulting in the surrender of thousands of firearms and ammunition. Despite having the toughest gun control laws in the world, gun related crimes increased in 2003 by 35% over the previous year with firearms used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the preceding 12 months. Gun related homicides were up 32% over the same period. Overall, gun related crime had increased 65% since the Dunblane massacre and implementation of the toughest gun control laws in the developed world. In contrast, in 2009 (5 years after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired) total firearm related homicides in the U.S. declined by 9% from the 2005 high.

 

[mage3158]

Heres a little fun tidbit of reading too.

Great Brittain:
In 1987 a lone gunman killed 18 people in Hungerford. What followed was the Firearms Act of 1988 making registration mandatory and banning semi-automatic guns and pump-action shotguns. Despite this ban, on March 13, 1996 a disturbed 43-year old former scout leader, Thomas Hamilton, murdered 16 school children aged five and six and a teacher at a primary school in Dunblane, Scotland. Within a year and a half the Firearms Act was amended to ban all private ownership of hand guns. After both shootings there were amnesty periods resulting in the surrender of thousands of firearms and ammunition. Despite having the toughest gun control laws in the world, gun related crimes increased in 2003 by 35% over the previous year with firearms used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the preceding 12 months. Gun related homicides were up 32% over the same period. Overall, gun related crime had increased 65% since the Dunblane massacre and implementation of the toughest gun control laws in the developed world. In contrast, in 2009 (5 years after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban expired) total firearm related homicides in the U.S. declined by 9% from the 2005 high.

Very interesting, I'd love to see the source though.

 

[SuF]

Nope, wasn't even in possession of an AR.

CBS, NBC, and ABC have all admitted that no assault rifle was found on the shooter. The only "rifle" even found on the property was in a car not belonging to him, and it was a shotgun.

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495 <--

Wikipedia disagrees. Also: http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226

It clearly states that he had a "#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine".