tutlik01 SOLVED, refund declined.

larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

Scammer's profile link: tutlik01
Explain the service:

larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

If you read the screenshots i was really cautious with him and rather dealt with it another day because i was really tired and i even told him i make stupid mistakes when im tired and just wanted to go to bed. but he really pushed so i agreed on paying him half up front. also if you read the screenshots i told him how sketchy i found it to trade me on a lvl 12 f2p. i'm not laying awake for 15M, couldn't care less. I hope this person gets banned before he makes any serious victims. i do not wish anyone getting his account perm banned by this clown his ''services''. Be careful everyone. as i said in the screenshots to him always calculate risk vs reward.

Romeo · Aug 22, 2018

Hello, please let me explain what happened:

Larsjager added me to do a nmz kit, and negotiated to 20M. He longed ingame and was in trade screen with the 20m and declined and said my ingame account was lvl 12 (new account btw) so I looked sketchy and he said he wud do half upfront and half after because he just joined 1 day ago. Kinda odd when his profile was made a year ago. Proof in screenshot below:
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after he pays 10m upfront and says that 10m will be paid halfway he says hes putting his account in nmz before going to bed (which means to me he is botting)
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So I start working on the account, log in and it gets locked right away and he has to unlock. Usually accounts that have botted tutorial island and log out right away get locked when u log back in. (He had just finished tut island + put 5m on the acc)

So I work on the account by hand using Osbuddy (all screenshots below) and halfway progress (about 4 hrs of work) the account gets logged out and disabled and I told the guy that he was at fault for botting tutorial island since I did everything by hand and that I should redo the account for free because 5 other people are doing accounts for him and this is a trial.. I told him he has to pay for another account or if he ordered more accs and let me do tutorial island myself I would redo for free. (if mods decide I am wrong I will redo it for free but I think this is an attempt from him to scam me for his laziness and botting tutorial island and the account getting delayed ban)

here is the album of screenshots:
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larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

tutlik01 said:
Hello, please let me explain what happened:

Larsjager added me to do a nmz kit, and negotiated to 20M. He longed ingame and was in trade screen with the 20m and declined and said my ingame account was lvl 12 (new account btw) so I looked sketchy and he said he wud do half upfront and half after because he just joined 1 day ago. Kinda odd when his profile was made a year ago. Proof in screenshot below:
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after he pays 10m upfront and says that 10m will be paid halfway he says hes putting his account in nmz before going to bed (which means to me he is botting)
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So I start working on the account, log in and it gets locked right away and he has to unlock. Usually accounts that have botted tutorial island and log out right away get locked when u log back in. (He had just finished tut island + put 5m on the acc)

So I work on the account by hand using Osbuddy (all screenshots below) and halfway progress (about 4 hrs of work) the account gets logged out and disabled and I told the guy that he was at fault for botting tutorial island since I did everything by hand and that I should redo the account for free because 5 other people are doing accounts for him and this is a trial.. I told him he has to pay for another account or if he ordered more accs and let me do tutorial island myself I would redo for free. (if mods decide I am wrong I will redo it for free but I think this is an attempt from him to scam me for his laziness and botting tutorial island and the account getting delayed ban)

here is the album of screenshots:
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1. it is true that my account on sythe is older than 2 days. I was 2 days ago looking for this exact service i wanted him to do. 6 quest, few levels. 1 rfd subquest. i deliver the accounts ready to go with bond. (edit: i mean to say its true the account is created a year ago but every mod will confirm that there hasn't been ANY activity on the account until 2 days ago. i was supprised to find out i had made a account on sythe. im sorry if ive ever mentioned that my account is 2 days old. i mean i use this account just since 2 days ago active for anything. I had not even opened the welcome mail before 2 days ago.)

2. completly correct i gave you 10M up front on your own personal account. and i supplied you with a fresh account supplied with 5m for bond and quest supplies.

3. before i tell you how retarded you sound id like to give you the opportunity to back it up with any evidence. also it wasnt that fresh the account was created to be exact. Screenshot - 539962c2659b1ad31314b455c39d6e64 - Gyazo created
8/21/2018 at 5:14 PM
and i did tutorial straight away. i did however supply the 5m right before i handed the account to you:
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8/22/2018 at 5:59 PM

a little over a day after doing tutorial island i handed you over the account.

i really do understand you want to make it look like it i made a fresh new account and that the tutorial island is botted and that trading 5m to a alt would get it banned. but please tell me the odds of me botting tutorial island and jagex delaying the ban first 26 hours and then when you long in they wait another 4 hours before finally PERM BANNING IT FOR MACROING MAJOR.

i really do believe its more likely you offered your services to me and thought to get away with a quick 20m and botting the services.

i have screenshots of everything ur done goofing around mate.
how would i scam you at all? for the record. i gave you 10m payment and 5m on the account. and you have literally delivered nothing else than a perm banned account for macroing major. how are you being scammed? all the losses in this whole story are on my side. why would i have any intention in scamming you? from what???? you gave me NOTHING and even less than nothing you costed me 15M and the account you ..a(¤/09/#("

larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

He is now messaging me on discord to get this sorted the solution he offers:
me suppling him with more money to complete the services.
my dude i have 4 other people already doing this exact service.
everyone i give only 1 account the first time to see if anything happens, he got the account PERM BANNED for marcoing.

i have 0 interest in suppling his dumbass with more money so i can lose even more. He realizes he fucked up and tries to squeeze out a bit of extra now.
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This is him saying he tried to be nice
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well again thank you so much for ur service to make me lose 15M and lose a account.
as i said im happy i didnt trust you with the full payment up front.
this has been a good lesson for me.
and im happy i made this mistake only after 2 days with little risk.

Romeo · Aug 22, 2018

To the mod handling this: I have provided all screenshots of the service being hand done so the fault is on the user. Since I did spend time and the account was almost halfway (1 more quest and a few more crafting levels). I am willing to refund him a partial amount of the 10m payment. I think this is fair because I should not be punished for something I did not do and I did not create the account from scratch and I did spend a few hours training it, also you can see from the start before I started that the account got locked.. Which only happens when an account is botted.

Romeo · Aug 22, 2018

Also in addition to above ^^:

If you read his original post he clearly says :

"As someone who has been botting over many years: if your account gets a perm ban for macoring major. then you were for sure using a macroing tool. dont even try to tell me otherwise. jagex 2018 banning system is id say flawless."

Which means he is a botter and most likely also made the account with a tutorial island bot using an ip which is already flagged. Last time I checked someone who "has been botting for a number of years" doesnt spend 10 minutes by hand to do a tutorial island account when he risks his high lvl nmz accounts with a bot when he goes to bed.

larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

''also you can see from the start before I started that the account got locked.. Which only happens when an account is botted.''

what are you trying to lie for? when i enclosed screenshots of the whole conversation, including this your mentioning. you logged in and i went off to bed, i was laying 5 minutes in bed and then i saw you wrote me that the account got locked. i came out of bed for you unlocked the account, wished you a good night scaping on the account and went back to bed. to wake up you telling me the account got 4 hours after i went to sleep perm banned while you were `playing` on it. why would jagex delay a ban 26 hours plus the 4 hours you played on it and then decide to ban it? If i even botted tutorial island which i didn't.

im getting kind of fed up now with you trying to discredit me while you offer service you try to bot. anyone reading our conversation screenshots and this alone will most likely come to the conclusion that you tried to sell me your services, and bot on the account.

WHAT DID CAUSE THE LOCK: very simply im from Norway, ur from Canada. (read screenshots) you log into my account in a different continent. jagex flags it as account hijacking or suspicious login and locks the account for me. I simply unlock the account clearing you full access again to the account again to continue the services.

You saying that it happens only when an account is botted.
like dude wtf. it was locked, not banned. just because you log in from a different continent.
so if you try to dicredit me in your next comment please come with something that sounds reasonable. jagex does not lock accounts that are banned, they either get a temporary ban or perm ban.

also ur straight up lying to say it got locked BEFORE you started the service. you were on the account before it got locked. YOU BEING IN THE ACCOUNT FROM CANADA CAUSED THE DAMN LOCK. how stupid can you be to try to tell the mods that its because i according to you botted tutorial island.

larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

i USED to bot so i have experience with it, so im stating also that jagex 2018 banning system in flawless so why in earth would i bot myself if i have that knowledge.

making botting pointless as you always end up with a perm banned account.

dont you think that if i wanted the accounts to be botted not get the damn 10 fishing 20 agil 36 wc 31 crafting with a bot myself?
instead of paying you to do it for me?

However the accounts get to max melee AFTER you deliver it quest done and RECIEVED payment in non of your concerns.

As you see i walk around on multiple nearly 2000 total level accounts.
trust me i know what im doing and ive not received any ban in the last 3 years.
i have botted before sure and leaned, it doesn't pay off. i stepped up my game.
so dont get banned.
a damn fucking 2 minute TUTORIAL i do my damn self.

And even if whatever bullshit say is true:
lets just take it as example i make a rs account
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8/21/2018 at 5:14 PM < lets take if for truth for a second that i did bot the account after making it. being done around 8/21/2018 at 5:30 PM

then jagex waits 24 hours

then i hand you over the account:
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8/22/2018 at 5:59 PM \ still more than a day after completing tutorial island.

THEN the account gets locked, because you log into it from a different continent.
Jagex thinks; meh this is fine this guy botted tutorial island but let this other guy play on it for 4 more hours before we perm ban it.

then they let you play on it for 4 more hours and ban it?

how does that make any sense for you?

Romeo · Aug 22, 2018

So you're saying you would risk botting an account to max in nmz that costs 50M+ and you can afk like 40+ accs by hand, but wouldnt risk botting tutorial island on a brand new account that is worthless? That logic makes sense..

larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

tutlik01 said:
So you're saying you would risk botting an account to max in nmz that costs 50M+ and you can afk like 40+ accs by hand, but wouldnt risk botting tutorial island on a brand new account that is worthless? That logic makes sense..

excuse me? you clearly do not read what im saying, i do not bot anymore.
i have other ways to train them to max melee they are non of your business tho.
whatever happens after you completed the service i asked for and paid you for it is completely up to me.
whether i train them by hand or nose or bot or feet is fully up to me.

i am the rightful owner of the account.
i deliver you a account clean from any offences 24 hours after completing tutorial island.
(not because i bot it and wait if it gets banned but because it takes a day to find a guy offering services to train it,
the 2 minute tutorial is done by myself)
i supply you with 5m on it so you can start away, and i even pay you 10M up front before youve done anything.

You just have too little knowledge about this. you tried to complete the service through botting and got my account perm banned with it.
also your just stating false statements like: ¨also you can see from the start before I started that the account got locked.. Which only happens when an account is botted.¨ you have clearly no idea what ur talking about.
you do not have any knowledge on what a locked account / banned account is.

you should not state such obvious lies about things you have no to little knowledge about.

about you offering me a fixed refund hahah, dude i couldnt care less about damn 15M hahah. Screenshot - a0eb5d972917eedfc03f7dc536338115 - Gyazo
i very very very clearly advice you to do them yourself by hand, i understand you dont do the account in one go. everyone that offers me to do this service has full 14 days (1 bond) to complete the services.
you should refund me atleast 200M 15M from the account 2.5m for my time lost making this account and 182.5m for being a fake ass clown who offers to do services and tries to complete them through botting.

Pendulum · Aug 22, 2018

@tutlik01 has provided evidence that he has not botted on the account. Reports like this boil down to word versus word and we have no way to verify either claim. Seeing as though some of the skills/quests were finished and the entire amount of the service was 20M, I will ask that @tutlik01 refunds a percentage of the incomplete work from the 10M he was paid.

larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

Go take a look at the bot forums here on sythe. People offer any kind of AHK bot Which in some even specifically REQUIRE OSBuddy I can link you the sythe forum.

The fact remains that the account got perm banned 4 hours after he started his services. He’s lying about things that the account Locked because it was botted at turtorial island. jagex does not lock accounts for botting just bans. Tell him he can take all the money. If you read the screen shots I provided I stated that I make always in every deal a risk/ reward calculation. I agreed to take the risk of paying half up front and he just screwed me. Keep it, enjoy it. I hope genuinely it makes you happy. I don’t want to deal with him at all anymore. And you should look into his vouches some are really bullshit a guy saying 2 times to buy 50m ish 07 from him and then that he bought many billions over last months. While nobody else to claim to buy/sell more than 10m ish trades. Wonder where he get those 10mills from

I strongly believe that I have provided enough information and evidence that it was not my fault that the account banned. And I see a real possibility this guy tried to sell me his services and expected to get away with it through whatever macro tool he used.

I appreciate your quick response and we may have different views about this. But I take my loss And move on. Wish you a nice day and thanks for your reply. @Pendulum

Ps.The solution I would have liked to Have seen:
I think this person should get at least a trade with caution button for this incident. because if you read the screenshots he was extremely push for money. And delivered a perm banned account Andy after that proceeds to offer me suppling him with 2 more accounts he will train if I again pay up half up front. You can’t tell me that this isn’t super sketchy behavior.

Romeo · Aug 22, 2018

So he gave me 10m to finish half of the requirements (about 4-5 hrs) and I was about 80% done all that was left was lost city/tree gnome village + crafting levels+3 wc lvls (1 hr for all max). I spent at least 4 hrs out of the 5 hrs. 4/5= 80% , so 60% of 10m is 8m. But I will go ahead and refund him 4m out of the 10m total he paid me @Pendulum If that is okay with you ill go ahead and get it to him

Romeo · Aug 22, 2018

@Pendulum Ive msged him and offered the refund but he said he doesnt want it and I should keep it. Here is the screenshot:
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larsjager7 · Aug 22, 2018

Issue has been solved, i fully understand sythe can not say for certain that he botted on the account therefor its his word against mine. I do not accept any refund from. @tutlik01

larsjager7 · Aug 23, 2018

tutlik01 said:
So he gave me 10m to finish half of the requirements (about 4-5 hrs) and I was about 80% done all that was left was lost city/tree gnome village + crafting levels+3 wc lvls (1 hr for all max). I spent at least 4 hrs out of the 5 hrs. 4/5= 80% , so 60% of 10m is 8m. But I will go ahead and refund him 4m out of the 10m total he paid me @Pendulum If that is okay with you ill go ahead and get it to him

Again ur just lying everyone can see the screenshots i provided any that you stated you were 1 agility when the account got banned. u were no where close to completing the services. you had the two longest quest to go and rfd sub quest is 22 minutes in the job offer i provided youtube links with quest guides. you can just see around how long it should take. stop lying about things anyone can fact check with the provided screenshots. I hope anyone dealing with you in the future is really cautious. i really would have want to see the trade with caution button as i feel it would totally be in place right here.

Pendulum · Aug 23, 2018

I spoke with @larsjager7 on Discord and he does not want a refund. This has been resolved.

tutlik01 SOLVED, refund declined.

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