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Time for allow commission staking
  1. Unread #21 - Nov 19, 2021 at 1:53 AM
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    No support as this would be impossible to control and also require donor rank which some people aren’t willing to have.

    However, this is a decent suggestion but OP doesn’t provide a solution / potential solutions so it’s 100% relying on staff to make a plan for this. I’ll support it but don’t expect it to get implemented quick due to the reasons posted above.
     
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  3. Unread #22 - Nov 19, 2021 at 3:34 AM
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    This is the most retarded thing I've read all day, thanks.
     
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  5. Unread #23 - Nov 19, 2021 at 9:59 AM
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    agree honestly im retard and have the head like a peanut so not got more ideas to add...
     
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  7. Unread #24 - Nov 19, 2021 at 11:25 AM
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    Time for allow commission staking

    I agree. I think this is something we should discuss further because it could attract new users. The main reason that this suggestion has been denied numerous times before is because of the complications commission staking would bring.

    I'll make a separate post with the main problems commission staking brings, so we could brain storm for possible solutions.
     
  9. Unread #25 - Nov 19, 2021 at 1:13 PM
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    How would this even work tho ?

    A-bettor 1 , B-bettor 2 , C-middleman

    Person A,B would trade money to person C and then A,B would go into duel and person C would trade money back to whoever won - commission right ? So i have few questions.

    1. What are actual chances you will find 2 ppls who wanna do exact same bet
    2. what if whip would break mid stake would they have to redo stake ?
    3. what if someone would get ddosed and would lose stake cus of that would they have to redo stake ?
    4. Who will be liable if middleman scams (will they be able to get repayment from community repayment fund up to 200$ or w/e is limit)
    5. And lets just not forget everyone will want to be commission stake middleman so how will you fix this problem ?=


    Unless person A just go agaist person C(aka middleman) who would call every stake for little X depends on how much opponent would want to bet but thats not commission staking anymore (<-this is somthing ppls alredy offer in donor dicing section)


    And one more question

    Will gambling discords still be able to advertise on sythe considering they just redirect ppls from sythe to their discord? Cus the thing is as far as i understand commission staking was never really forbidden from sythe well atleast not for gambling clans.

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  11. Unread #26 - Nov 19, 2021 at 1:21 PM
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    1. That is why there should be a section that would allow people to post/advertise their stakes (maybe even in 'real time' via a Sythe discord) - maybe like 'W50' for Whipping 50M?
    2. The person in the stake should ultimately be responsible for their equipment/setup/rules/etc - the middleman would pay the winner
    3. Same as #2 - in W2 nobody gets hit off
    4. I'd treat this as a normal scam & they would utilize RaS section & it can be a separate suggestion/talk regarding community repayment fund.
    5. Same as middleman threads, someone would choose to utilize you or not. It's their choice. We don't need an 'official' commission stake middleman.
     
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    What have runescape world you being on have to do with ddosing ?
     
  15. Unread #28 - Nov 19, 2021 at 1:41 PM
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    I have no idea what you are trying to say
     
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    Time for allow commission staking

    Commission staking has been suggested before. This was the reply on the suggestion thread from November 2019:
    The thread from earlier this year had a similar reply. Commission staking would bring problems that have to be solved first. In this post I'll bring up some of the main problems that were found on the other suggestions. I invite everyone to brainstorm with possible solutions for these problems. I will also bring up some common solutions with counter arguments. This list is by no means complete and I will actively add problems/issues to the list once brought up.


    Problems it could bring

    It would be too easy for people to scam, including rigging/faking a stake
    There are many ways to scam. Scamming can always be an issue, but with commission staking in particular there are many methods to scam without the customer even knowing they're getting scammed. Common methods are fighting your friend and having your friend win on purpose. This could be done by allowing your friend to have something in their ring slot.

    There are also plugins to or overlays to hide certain things. With a simple plugin, you could make a stake look normal while secretly enabling/disabling certain options to give one of the stakers an advantage. Even when not using an external client (so using the official runescape client), you could make overlays to achieve the same thing.

    There are a fair amount of scenario's that could happen. We would have to decide who is liable for what, and encourage both buyers and sellers to know these scenario's.

    Commission staking can go wrong in a lot of ways. To name just a few:
    - Wrong setting causes staker to lose
    - Staker fails a pid swap causing the staker to lose
    - Staker disconnects mid-stake

    We would have to predetermine what we'd rule in which scenario and have both buyers and sellers know this beforehand. If commission staking gets added, I'm certain that we'd see new scenario's pop up daily/weekly so it would add a lot of new discussion points to ensure fair rulings.

    With the staking cap, a commission staker can no longer duel a random user. The staker will either have to bet against himself, or find another user to stake against

    So the traditional method of commission staking is no longer viable, as there's a cap of 10m osrs/50m rs3 per stake. This means it will be harder to find a user to stake against. The host could either stake against himself (stake a low amount against a random user, win = host wins, lose = customer wins). However, the host could now battle against his own friend instead and rig the duel to give better odds to the host.

    The second option is finding some one to stake on Sythe. This could however again be a friend of the host giving the host more favorable odds.


    Possible solutions with counter arguments

    Sythe can hold deposits which would serve as a refund if users get scammed
    Sythe himself has stated before that this can not be done for legal reasons.

    Requiring the stake to be steamed

    Streaming would bring extra security, but the steam would have to be private because if not it would be too easy to sabotage. I'm unaware if having a private stream could cause new problems.

    Free market, don't handle commission staking reports
    Definitely possible. It is indeed a free market, but it's also regulated. By adding a new section for commission staking, but not allowing commission staking reports, we would just be adding a scam-haven.

    Middleman holding GP for stakes
    We could create a section/thread where people can post what kind of stakes they are looking to do. One user can choose to go first and trust the other user, or both users can agree to have a middleman hold the GP. The middleman may then hold the GP and charge a fee.

    However, we would still face the same issues like how easy it is to rig.
     
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    no support
     
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    Is this for duel arena staking specifically? Isn't the duel arena being phased out altogether very soon?
     
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  23. Unread #32 - Nov 23, 2021 at 9:43 PM
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    Why would anyone pay 5% just to have someone gamble for them? Seems illogical.
     
  25. Unread #33 - Nov 23, 2021 at 9:46 PM
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    This was an interesting read. Thanks for the info about the plugins.
     
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    No support for commission staking. I don't see the point of it. I'd be all for Sythe creating a rank similar to OMM/Bond Holder that can middleman stakes for people though.
     
  29. Unread #35 - Nov 24, 2021 at 10:37 PM
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    Time for allow commission staking

    I say we spend the rest of the year meticulously planning out the rules that would enable us to allow a commission staking section. Then when jagex removes the duel arena in the start of the new year, we can all make more posts crying that sythe is dying again.
     
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    That’s the spirit
     
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    Most probably Jagex next add will be rat pits. Damn I love that fucking minigame
     
  35. Unread #38 - Nov 25, 2021 at 10:46 AM
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    Time for allow commission staking

    Taking advantage of people with gambling addictions is about as low as you can go, but it'd probably do well for the site in terms of traffic. Its pretty clear a lot of the userbase on here lack any sense of morals so w/e. Still not sure how it'd be viable with all the plugins out there nowadays.
     
  37. Unread #39 - Nov 25, 2021 at 11:32 AM
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    Maybe is time for a better scrow service to Duel and etc
     
  39. Unread #40 - Nov 25, 2021 at 9:03 PM
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    Why go through all of the work and have to duel someone? Why can't we have people the commission gamble against a random number gen?
     
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