You morons forget in other parts of the world waiters/waitresses actually get paid a decent wage before tips, hence the less tipping.
I don't think you should be going to restaurants with that mindset.
It isn't disrespectful in places where the custom is to tip for good service. They likely tip themselves when they go out as well. It is expected generally, so you're being insulting when you don't, whether you like it or not.
Then you won't be eating anywhere but fast food. Why would they care if you came back?
The alternative is to just add 15% to the cost of food, therefore removing your choice and possibly compromising the quality of service by removing incentive.
I'm not sure how it is in other countries, but in the United States, servers depend on tips to get paid.
Yeah you can say that it's the employer's fault or whatever, but unfortunately that's not how things work here. The employer has no say.
If you're a server, then you don't depend on an hourly wage and that goes for all restaurants. It's all about tips, so when you go out to eat and you don't leave them anything, then they don't get paid.
Serving at a busy restaurant is hard work, so how about you not talk about something you know nothing about. Not only do you come off as a cheap fuck, but you sound ignorant as shit.
Yeah the tip system is stupid, but a lot of things in life are, so quit crying because you don't want to leave a dollar tip for your measly $10 meal.
Go to McDonald's if you don't want to tip. People at McDonald's don't do nearly the amount of work servers at restaurants do and they get paid an hourly wage, which is why they don't get tipped.
And why don't other jobs require tips? Maybe because other jobs actually get a nice check every week and don't rely on tips to survive.
Use your head. If that's so hard for you to understand, then you're probably just too young to know shit about work.
Exactly. You're not sure how it is in other countries, so please don't go about acting like you do. If servers depend on tips to get paid, why is it even called a "tip" anymore? If the servers expect the tip, why call it a tip? Why don't you called it a service charge or something? I'm pretty sure "tips" are completely optional, I don't get why people expect it. I'm not questioning the fact that they don't make enough money, I have no right to question that. But just because they depend on tips to pay off bills, it doesn't mean that I have to tip. No, this doesn't make me cheap - since when does not doing something completely OPTIONAL make me cheap?
IF it's not the employer's fault for paying the servers enough, it is the customer's fault for not "giving" money to the servers - the money that was supposed to be given by the employer? Some of you say 2$/hr is minimum wage. Well then, if it IS actually minimum wage there, if the workers signed the contract, knowing that they'll only get 2$/hr, doesn't that mean that they agree on getting that 2$/hr? Does the contract say "The customers will definitely tip you."? I'm pretty sure it doesn't. The employer has no say? Oh, so the employer doesn't decide how much he pays the employees? Sure makes a lot of sense.
As I previously stated, the hourly wage was what they SIGNED up to, by doing so they agreed on the terms of earning x amount of money. If it's not enough for them, they knew it when they signed up. Why must I contribute the remaining of their "pay"? Why must they expect the tip? I'll give it if I want, it's a tip after all. If I don't leave them anything then they don't get paid? So you're saying they earn absolutely 0$/hr? Contradicting yourself now?
Yes, I know it's hard work. Since when did I say it isn't? Am I questioning that? No. You're the one being ignorant, you're assuming that I "don't know what I'm talking about". I'm pretty sure OP asked for our opinions, just because I don't agree with your personal opinion, you don't have to call me a cheap f***. It's a general discussion forum, if I don't agree with you, it doesn't mean that you should call me that. Whatever, I guess.
It's stupid, even you're admitting that yourself. And the rest of your post you're arguing how you support it? Also, I'm not crying, because I don't leave tips 90% of the time. Am I complaining that I have to leave a tip every meal? No. You're talking about it like it's compulsory, which is not the case, it's optional and thus shouldn't be expected.
As I said before, tipping isn't mandatory, it's optional. Please stop going about it like it's mandatory. So what if they don't do the amount of work servers at restaurants do? Does it matter? No. If they're getting paid a wage that is higher than servers in restaurants, why don't the servers who keep complaining go and work at McDonalds instead? After all, according to you, it's less work, right? Just because someone's doing more work, it doesn't mean that I have to tip them.
Yes, other jobs don't require tips, because they earn enough. Precisely, so if you want to "survive", why don't you just go sign up for the "other jobs"? Isn't it because you don't have the experience for it? Or is it that you don't want to put in the effort for that job? So you have CHOSEN the job of a server, and as I said before - you signed up KNOWING what you got, (according to the people who claim that 2$/hr is minimum wage) so why are you complaining?
It's not hard for me to understand. I know what you're trying to say, - what makes you think I don't understand English? How does my opinion have anything to do with my age? Just because I don't agree with your personal view, it doesn't mean I don't understand or I'm "too young". Why must you launch personal attacks just because someone disagrees with you? I don't understand.
Oh but I do. And I get good service regardless of not giving tips because where I live the waiters and waitresses are actually paid a decent rate by their employer. Over-acceptance of tipping culture is what promotes such a low wage it seems, as waiters earn as much as any other part time job around here.
Why should I supplement for the greed of an establishment? If your working conditions are poor, join a union or find another job.
The first thing I said is that I don't know how the tip system works in other countries and I never once acted like I did.
And actually I do kind of know how it is in other countries because I lived in Portugal when I was young and have been all over Europe.
Derrr learn to fucking read. You're the one acting like just because you don't have to tip in your country, then that's how it must be here in the United States too. I don't give a shit what it's called. If you want to call it a service charge, then be my guest. Some restaurants even include the tip in the bill because of people who don't tip. And actually I do kind of know how it is in other countries because I lived in Portugal when I was young and have been all over Europe. The tip system is completely different there than it is in the United States. Just because you aren't used to tipping doesn't mean that's how it works everywhere.
It's not the employer's fault because he doesn't have the power to pay his employees a decent wage even if he wanted to.
Unfortunately, this is how things work here in the United States. Restaurants don't pay servers shit because here, it's just custom to tip just like it's custom to do things in other countries. I mean I don't know a single person who doesn't tip because it's just how things work around here and is common sense.
People who choose to serve know how it works and they know that they have to rely on tips, so they know what they're signing up for. I mean how is this so hard for you to understand? Not everything has to be written in law for it to be the right thing to do. Maybe tipping isn't required, but here it's expected.
As previously stated, learn to read or use your brain, so you can actually comprehend what I'm saying. Never once contradicted myself.
Since when was I even talking to you? You have some serious entitlement issues if you think that everything I said was aimed at you. I'm not assuming shit either.
Of course it's stupid, but unfortunately that's how it goes. I would much rather servers just get paid an actual hourly wage, but they don't, so I'm not going to bitch and moan about leaving a tip. I mean, I think a lot of shit is stupid, but sometimes you have to do things you don't necessarily agree with.
I guess technically it is optional if that's how you want to think because nobody can make you,
but it is expected, just like a lot of things in life. If you never want to tip, then that's your choice, but that doesn't make you right.
What servers are complaining? Who are you referring to? Me? I'm not a server. Hmm maybe nobody wants to work at McDonalds because they pay shit. Not everyone wants to work the easier job that pays less because they don't want to work hard. Nice logic there.
They earn enough because they don't fucking rely on tips and get an actual paycheck. Why do I need to keep repeating something that is so ridiculously simple?
People choose to serve because sometimes you can make some pretty good money if you work at nice restaurants where people actually tip. Once again, I'm not a server. Never once said I did, but okay. If you think that stating the truth of how things go here in the U.S. is complaining, then sure.
No, I think it is hard for you to understand actually and you have no idea what I'm trying to say. Because with age comes experience and clearly you don't have much of that if what I'm saying is that hard for you to understand. Once again, I wasn't even referring to you, but I am now. Next time, maybe you should spend a little more time thinking before you start going on and on about absolutely nothing. I mean seriously. There is ONLY one job in the U.S. that really expects you to tip and that's serving, so quit the bitching already.
The US does not really believe in unions anymore.
You morons forget in other parts of the world waiters/waitresses actually get paid a decent wage before tips, hence the less tipping.
Tips are a rare occurrence here in Australia, unless you go to a nicer/higher end restaurant. Mainly due to what Ame said; wage rates are far higher.
Wow... yeah everybody here is a cheap fuck. I always tip... 15% if the service isn't especially good, but 95% of the time I tip 20%.
Jeeze people if you're going somewhere to eat and pay $30 or $40, $5-8 isn't going to make a huge difference for you, but it will for your server.
I understand not tipping for McDonalds or stuff like that, but being generous is a lot more (personally) rewarding than being a cheap fuck.
You also have to understand that that same server probably also goes out to eat sometimes, going out and spending 50$ on a meal doesn't mean your rich or richer than your server, for all you know I could go out and spend 100$ or 200$ on a meal with my family but only have the possibility to do it once in a year. So I go out to eat once a year because I'm finacially struggling and I have to leave a 30$ tip? Nop, not everyone is a cheap fuck.
That being said I also like to tip bot only if it is a good service, if it's just regular service where the employee isn't really trying I don't think they deserve a tip. Also tips here are like 2-4€ usually even if you eat a 80€ meal
I usually give 25% tip or more, but thats just me.
I'm not saying that you're richer than your server. I'm saying that you're already spending a bunch of money on a meal, the 20% will make a lot less of a difference to you than to your server, for which it can either be "wow, I've been waiting this table for the past two hours for free. I'm in a horrible mood now." or "wow, these guys are generous. I'm in a great mood now".
I'm saying that if you don't factor the cost of the tip into what you're spending you're a cheap fuck. (If $8 makes a significant difference to your financial status, you shouldn't be spending $40 on a meal in the first place, but that aside... if you do it because that's what you enjoy doing...) If the meal itself costs $40, you should count $50. etc.
Back to the meal = $40 example, if you go there and don't pay your server, you're a cheap fuck because you're paying $40 for something that you should be paying $50 for. Its the same sort of thing as complaining about the food even if you like it so that it comes free, or breaking an item at a store so you can get it discounted, or even, quite frankly, shoplifting. Except worse because its not a large entity that is bearing the loss, but a single server.

