The world is insane

That is a paradox. Something has to be infinite.

 

I wouldn't call it theft, as the money isn't yours to begin with. I would rather call it interest on a loan that are forced on you. I agree on the slavery part though.

Public healthcare is good, the way I see it. I'm glad to live in a Socialist country where I know I'll be taken care of if need be, and I don't mind that I'm currently taking care of others who can't help being in a bad situation.

There is no such thing as empirically wrong ethics, so don't waste your time calling me out on my political views.

 

Yes, you can argue that possession=ownership, and I can agree to a certain extent. My response to that is that you were never given the money. Someone may have handed you the money with the intent of giving it to you, but it wasn't theirs to give.

My point is: The central bank of a given country (in your case Federal Reserve) prints paper and assign a fictional value to this paper (so far we agree). They then hand it out to people with an inherent debt, taxation, of which the current possessor of the paper (or bank accounts which take the fictive nature to a new level) have to pay interest on an annual basis.

So when you claim ownership of your money, I'm calling you a thief.

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To elaborate on your example: I'm giving you the book on the condition that you give it back to me page by page over time, and keep giving me pages even after I've got the entire book back. And I eat the loaf of bread.

I'd say it is funded through mass suggestion and the violence is a product of this mass suggestion, as I said it's not my money, and I know they lie through the media. I still see the actual healthcare as a good though, it does bring a higher general standard of living when public healthcare is available.

 

That's great, I'm glad you're happy with your situation. Question for you though: would you support the use of violence against people in Norway who would prefer not to be a part of your collectivized medical system?

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you realize you are forced to use this money - in the usa the feds have shut down competing currencies (google liberty dollars) and "stated that the “Liberty Dollars” are meant to compete with the circulating coinage (currency) of the United States and such competition consequently is a criminal act." (http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/index.cfm?flash=yes&action=press_release&id=710)



why then are we also taxed on the value of goods we own? surely the central bank doesn't own my house as well, even if it might "own" the 200 odd dollars of cash I have on my person.

compared to what? the mostly public system we have in the usa? well sure switching solely to public will be better - less administrative costs. but you miss the point, if there was real competition and no government interference, you'd probably see a vast rise in the average standard of living, quality of care, and a vast decrease in average cost of care.

 

I tend to turn to a blind eye to it to be honest. I realize people have different opinions, ranging from individualists to confused "communists" who want the state to control everything, and I don't claim that I see our current system is ideal. But my opinion is that the collective will not care for each other out of their own kindness, so there needs to be a system in place to enforce this practice. Yes, I do support using force to enforce it.

I do realize this. That doesn't change they fact that every dollar transferred from Federal Reserve to the American society is given on the condition that it be paid back with interest. When money change hands, the debt follows.

That is a slightly different case. The question is "who owns the goods?". You say that surely you live in your own house that you own. I disagree. You pay taxes annually because you "own" that house. If you don't pay taxes for the house, the police come to kick you out and the house goes up for "sale". To me that sounds like your house is on a lease.

To be clear I don't support this, just stating the facts.

Poor people are poor. A purely market-run health service would ensure that most good doctors would treat upper-class citizens who can afford them, and the bad doctors treat the poor because the rich don't want them.

We do have private clinics in Norway, though on a smaller scale than you, and the tendency is already there that the "best" doctors want to work for whoever pays them the most. I remember some time ago there was a big media case about politicians who publicly praised public healthcare, but as soon as their kid had a cough it was straight to the private clinic. Damn hypocrites...

 

Don't tell me it's a fallacy, tell the IRS.

I didn't equate ownership with theft, if you read my post I equate claiming ownership of something that has not been given to with theft.

 

I believe he means as a whole.

 

I'm appealing to the fact that this happens in the real world, all around you. Are you denying that tax exists, or are you not getting my point?

My point is that the central bank doesn't give away money, it lends out money. Every dollar in circulation is the formal property of Federal Reserve.

 

By definition of those who believe in God, is that God is eternal.

Oh and I LOVE your use of fallacy's! Partially because I just learned them in my A.P. class.