The Quran and science

[Shredderbeam]

Blood does not affect the ph level of human blood.

When pigs are killed, they are drained of all blood.

Since pigs are cooked before eating, diseases cannot be transmitted.

Oh, I see. What nonmuslim doctors have cautioned that every bit of alcohol that you consume is bad for you?

 

[Krypton6]

When a pig is killed, they are aperantly not drained of all the blood since they have no neck to be drained from!

It is only in the west where you can cook the meat before eating, what about in iraq for example, or corea or africa? How are they suposed to get trees and branches for burning every single day, when they cant even boil the water before drinking.
Cooking the meat will make the taste disappear or at least taist much different from what it would taist if not cooked and not least look different.
Why should you even take the time to cook it if you dont have to!

What about when people barbecue? Are they suposed to cook the meat in boiling water and then barbecue the water filled grey meat?

Im not saying that every bit of consumed alcohol is bad for you, I am only saying that the danger is there and that it is aperantly sky high.
That can be proved by looking in the statistics, showing how many alcoholics there is and how many car accidents are actully caused by alcohol.

Aperantly that little little minimal danger of which you believe in has an MASSIVE impact on humans.

 

[Shredderbeam]

When a pig is killed, they are aperantly not drained of all the blood since they have no neck to be drained from!

Right. Doesn't mean that they don't have a jugular, though. They do, and it's used to completely drain them of all blood.

It is only in the west where you can cook the meat before eating, what about in iraq for example, or corea or africa? How are they suposed to get trees and branches for burning every single day, when they cant even boil the water before drinking.
Cooking the meat will make the taste disappear or at least taist much different from what it would taist if not cooked and not least look different.
Why should you even take the time to cook it if you dont have to!

There aren't too many meats that the human body is capable of eating raw.

What about when people barbecue? Are they suposed to cook the meat in boiling water and then barbecue the water filled grey meat?

No, the barbecuing would be kill off any bacteria.

Im not saying that every bit of consumed alcohol is bad for you, I am only saying that the danger is there and that it is aperantly sky high.
That can be proved by looking in the statistics, showing how many alcoholics there is and how many car accidents are actully caused by alcohol.

Well, it seems that in the U.S., some 5.5% of people have alcohol problems. Sure, it's a risk, but what of those that drink responsibly?

 

[Krypton6]

Right. Doesn't mean that they don't have a jugular, though. They do, and it's used to completely drain them of all blood.?

Reaching that jugular is more complicated.
When a pig is slaughtered in the west it is typically hung (while being unconscious), and then exanguinated, and after some time some parts are cut off to make it possible to reach the throat veins. Once it is reached it is then finaly cut of, this process takes time and during this time the blood cycles has already stopped.

There aren't too many meats that the human body is capable of eating raw.

Undtil this point by cooking I had ment boiling, but I realise that you mean ordinary cooking. Ordinary cooking, roasting, does not remove all bacteria. Removing all bacterias recuires boiling in hot water or liquid. If you want to cook the meat free of bacterias it will be burned.

No, the barbecuing would be kill off any bacteria.

That is the case if you let it burn for a long time, and doing so suddenly means that the meat is burned and uneatable. What people are doing when barbecuing is undercooking the meat, of which bacterias can easely survive.

Well, it seems that in the U.S., some 5.5% of people have alcohol problems. Sure, it's a risk, but what of those that drink responsibly?

So your suggesting that it should be allowed for those who drink it responsibly?

That would suddenly give each individual free will and choice of wether one sees himself as addicted or not, and such thing would form the religion instead of the religion forming one.

And even if you forget what I just said: the response for those who drink responsibly is just - Get over it. Its not like alcohol is a need.

If you believe in god, then you wouldnt question every single law and statement that he wants you to follow. If god does not want you to eat pork and drink alcohol, you will just have to accept it.

It might just be a test that god has given to you, to find out wether or not you will do as he wish, as hard as the wish may be to you...

Alcohol and pork just hapends to be doing more bad than good.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Reaching that jugular is more complicated.
When a pig is slaughtered in the west it is typically hung (while being unconscious), and then exanguinated, and after some time some parts are cut off to make it possible to reach the throat veins. Once it is reached it is then finaly cut of, this process takes time and during this time the blood cycles has already stopped.

It's not really hard to reach the jugular. If you have a knife with a good curve, it can be done in one cut.

Undtil this point by cooking I had ment boiling, but I realise that you mean ordinary cooking. Ordinary cooking, roasting, does not remove all bacteria. Removing all bacterias recuires boiling in hot water or liquid. If you want to cook the meat free of bacterias it will be burned.

You can almost never get rid of all bacteria, but cooking it normally will eliminate bacteria to such an extent that there is no real health risk.

So your suggesting that it should be allowed for those who drink it responsibly?

I actually think it should be allowed for everybody, regardless of how they drink it.

And even if you forget what I just said: the response for those who drink responsibly is just - Get over it. Its not like alcohol is a need.

True, we don't need it, but I'd say it's one of those "personal freedom" things.

If you believe in god, then you wouldnt question every single law and statement that he wants you to follow. If god does not want you to eat pork and drink alcohol, you will just have to accept it.

Oh, I'd question pretty much everything. I'd never follow an illogical rule.

It might just be a test that god has given to you, to find out wether or not you will do as he wish, as hard as the wish may be to you...

An odd test. I thought God, being omniscient, already knew how we would act.

Alcohol and pork just hapends to be doing more bad than good.

Not really. Sure, there's bad involved, but it doesn't necessarily outweigh the good.

 

[Terrankiller]

I have to admit, this was a very good read. However, since I do not have a copy of the Quran, I cannot check up on his references.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

I have to admit, this was a very good read. However, since I do not have a copy of the Quran, I cannot check up on his references.

I question the author's credentials.

Of the Qur'an I mean.

 

[IAmSam]

It pretty much applies to all meat. The only limiting factor in the consumption of pork is that it's high cholesterol makes it unwise to eat too much of it.

I agree that pork is high in cholesterol. I read about this topic on the cholesterol forums website.

 

[T R 1 B A L]

The bible says allot of the same things.....It describes things that happened in the words of people 2000 years ago, jesus came and he created the new testament as told. Then they had revised the bible into different versions all saying the same thing just wording them differently for certain people, there are still versions of the original text.

yes but the bible had sections changed after the original version, such as when the wording was changed into different languages, some words might have been completely changed

 

[runer]

"It is a little knowledge of science that makes you an Atheist, and it is an in-depth study of science that makes you a believer in God Almighty".

That is the smartest thing I have ever heard anyone say ever @_@

 

[Personal Jesus]

"It is a little knowledge of science that makes you an Atheist, and it is an in-depth study of science that makes you a believer in God Almighty".

That is the smartest thing I have ever heard anyone say ever @_@

Fortunately, it's dead wrong. Science has nothing to do with being an Atheist, because an Atheist is simply a person whom does not believe in God, gods, angels, demons, spirits, spirituality, etc, etc. People often misinterprete it as all Atheists = believing in evolution and The Big Bang Theory. A lot of Atheists even makes their own theories... none of which has even been taken seriously by the scientific communities.

Anyway, the quote is complete bullshit. Science is exploring, discovering, testing theories and gaining knowledge about the what, which and why. Not just accepting some ideas from a book written by people whom had little to no understanding of science.

So far, scientists has discovered thousands upon thousands of beautiul, indisputable fossils. They've gained knowledge about them, found out where they came from, and where they went. Religion has nothing to do with science, because all religion do, is accepting the word of humans as truth, with no questions asked. That's deliberate ignorance, and the sad part is that people like you generally live their entire life, ignorant to their ignorance, continuously living the dream of an ignorant bliss; the delusion of being correct, even though thou hast been proven wrong numerous times.

Shotgun > Face > Pull trigger.
Thank you.