The hypocrisy of Staff and rule bending

Title states it all - Today yet AGAIN we are bringing the hypocrisy of Staff and the way they bend the rules

Refering to this case https://www.sythe.org/threads/zetricc-scammed-me/

The scamming scum whom had 3 scam reports ALL SIMILIAR patterns in terms of scamming. We all had ordered quest jobs from this moron, only to find our bank cleaned and them going further by dropping MOST of your items in bank, untradeables, ruining placeholders and cleaning the NMZ points.

I lost 506mil bank, when changed into currency were talking 400$+ and he got DNT’ed after I asked for it several times, so other people wouldn’t end up getting scammed and set back their account.

Where the HYPOCRISY starts is that Staff failed to see he’s a scammer even though the prick has 3 scam reports and is using his TOS and excuse as a loophole to scam and get away with it. HE WAS LET BACK after told by Staff to only repay 24 mil and got his DNT removed, without having to pardon, even though he has 3 scam reports and NONE are resolved

Now here’s the point of my thread - I had a issue/scam report open back in May with @kataal877 and I resolved it by paying back my debt to him, it was a simply minor issue back then that caused me not to pay him at the moment, but I came back to repay my debt. HOWEVER i was FORCED to pardon my DNT and didn’t get it removee, even though I haven’t been active in the market since august 2016. I attempted a pardon and felt it would get denied, as it did, that’s fine if they dont want it removed yet. I get that, no hard feelings.

Where it PISSES me off, is that filthy scum get’s away with repaying a petty amount of 24mil and get’s his DNT removed as if it’s a walk in the park. No pardon at all, considering the 3 scam reports.

@STAFF

Where’s the equality? I remember there was a thread about equality during a trade issue with R2Pleasent involved. How come I am told to pardon my DNT but the guy with 3 scam reports get’s his removed? This is your own rules, so if that’s the case, I’d like my DNT removed as well; equal rights, equal treatment

 

KEEP EQUAL TREATMENT FOR ALL USERS

Keep Treatment Equal For All Users

 

Stop beating a dead horse. You were irresponsible in the way you traded, then tried to frame another individual. You’ve been pardoned in the past, AND trading under DNT. If you really want to talk equality you should be banned.

 

Beating on a dead horse? I dont think so, where is the equality in having DNT removed without pardoning it, like the rest of us? Even though there’s 3 reports

 

He received a temporary DNT due to the pending accusation from you. You received a DNT because you scammed someone. Your actions are childish and you even went as far as making racial slurs I and other users can find offensive. You deserve a 3 day ban at the least.

 

Go ahead and tell me more about the so called “accusation” when he has 3, i repeat 3 scam reports on him, all for the same. Go on, enlighten us all

I too like him, were told to pay back my debt, I did and i didn’t get my DNT removed, but he got his removed, even though Staff haven’t done shit about all the reports on him, so where’s the TWC atleast?

Yet again, I am gonna refer to EQUAL RIGHTS AND TREATMENT thread for all users

 

Sorry for you loss, but a scam report is an accusation if you cannot provide proper evidence. He is protected under his ToS - and you agreed, same goes with the rest. Now is the TOS fair ? That’s a completely different topic.

 

Oh dear, go ahead and see through the report again. Its clear he has done all 3 scams gotten away with it, because he is allowed by Staff to abuse TOS and scam. Its not rocket science for anyone with a bit decent IQ and common sende, to figure out all reports have the same pattern. Just by his words “Fake report, they removed wealth and is accusing me. TOS says its not my issue on any lost item or wealth” that’s really nice, people can now scam “legally” and get away with it. Coincidence? I think not, and I’m calling it now, another scam report on him will come soon

 

I also don’t think it’s rocket science to read and understand basic ToS. Sure it isn’t fair, but that’s not an issue for the feedback forum.

 

Regardless, the above is irrelevant.

The point is how he’s allowed to have the DNT removed whilst the rest of us has to pardon it every 6th month, and he’s let out in the market, luring for the next scam. Not even a TWC was put on the guy

If that’s the way Staff bends rules, I demand to have mine removed too

 

You only have to pardon for a DNT if you’ve been banned. He was not banned.

You rushed it, he possibly abused it. We don’t ban people without solid evidence here. We all know it’s a pattern and it’s likely that he scammed, but without evidence there is nothing anyone can do.

What if you saw that he already had 2 past scam reports and decided to frame him for a 3rd to make yourself a quick buck? See where I’m going with this?

You read the ToS and still left value on your account, that was stupid.

 

So why Blame the staff? Why would you even think about letting someone on ure account who let's be honest hasn't been around that long with 500m, I can see why you are annoyed but It is no one's fault but your own, Next time be really careful.

 

Did he tell you to remove all your valuables in a message if not pm pendulum about your concern, If not It might be worth a Twc not too sure.

 

Not at all, not even single time. He even told me to give him more supplies/cash so he could use through the questing, not the opposite.

 

To be honest I don't know about your case but it could be the following.

1. Not enough evidence that you had wealth on the account.

2. @Pendulum made a mistake and did not apply a Twc.

If it was a mistake I hope you get it resolved, I've tagged Mr pendulum in hopefully you will get a reply.

There is no point slating the mods in your way as they all work hard and I believe they do it for free could be wrong.

I would change the title and try to get it resolved in an adult manner, Don't blame the mods for your downfall, Having that Dnt won't help your case.

 

You need to learn what a TWC is and what warrants a TWC and when it is applied. Not even insulting you but I genuinely don't think you know the purpose or use of the rank. I've seen you several times complain about TWC's not being given. As someone who has read pretty much every report on this forum I can tell you that your thoughts regarding how and when TWC are applied are incorrect.

On topic however;

OP I would refer you to this thread;

Sythe Rule Changes/Rule Clarifications

Quote :

"Suggestion #4 Reminder - Combating account services liability

Service providers are allowed to protect themselves with their TOS in regards to ban risk. This has been a point of controversy for some time and reports inevitably end with staff being unable to determine who is at fault for the ban if an account was being trained by someone else. Simply put, you are allowed to put clauses in your ToS saying you're not responsible for bans. If you don't and there is a ban, you will be held responsible.

You can read about how to protect yourself when offering services here.

If staff believe a service provider is abusing this by observing a trend or circumstantial evidence is provided in a report, staff may use their own discretion and hold the service provider accountable."


The user being reported is protected by their TOS for any damages done to an account - However if you have excellent proof of the account containing wealth - There are several reports against the same user in a short span- All related to the same thing - There is a clause written in that would allow staff to consider issuing a punishment.

Apples didn't understand the why behind the TWC not being applied however if there are "3 reports" all within a short timeframe (As OP claims) than @Pendulum may consider issuing a TWC or a DNT/Ban depending on how good your evidence for the wealth is.

Wealth is near impossible to prove a claim over ; Infact it's often immediately tossed ; I can recall (1?) case in all the reports I've read where a report for wealth has been upheld and that was because the scammer admitted it in a separate case and staff used his admission on that different case and made a statement that they the statement was enough to justify *beyond reasonable doubt* that the other reporters wealth was also stolen and the scammer was held liable for both reports.

 

@Divine

All 3 reports are here

1st report filed 7th November - watch out for scammer zetricc

2nd report filed 12th November - Ketricc is a scammer

3rd report filed 14th November (My report) - Zetricc scammed me

All 3 reports within 7 days, and all 3 similiar patterns.

Every time he's used the excuse with "Fake report, removed wealth during service and accusing me. Btw I'm not liable, my TOS says that"

Even though I have a documented work schedule and online records in our system that I was at work, and had NO way of logging into my account for 11 hours. How am I supposed to drop 300-350 items, clean bank, ruin placeholders and spend 25mil NMZ points via my phone while at work?

As I mentioned in my report, there's a big Sythe market user that has a screenshot of my bank 3 weeks ago during a job, where it has atleast 470mil in wealth.

So I'm still waiting for the DNT to be re-instated or a TWC, though I'm hoping for a ban here and giving him the opportunity to pardon when he's repaid the $400 he took in wealth from my bank.

 

I sent an inquiry to admin @video on your behalf regarding the wealth portion of his TOS. It's my belief that TOS cannot protect from stolen wealth if there is evidence to sythes standards that the service provider took it(which there never is so this is a irrelevant inquiry really but I asked just to get you an answer). This really isn't even an issue since nobody can prove the wealth portion of the issue.

Your report you originally stated there was 72M on the account - That message was deleted - To my knowledge discord messages can only be deleted by the person who sent them (Unless this is a Nitro feature...? Don't know if it is) - So the fact u said theres 72M and now claim 400M+ is a problem reference;

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It's also a bit strange that you asked him to screenshot YOUR bank? Why would you not do this yourself? Was it to make him feel secure about an having an inaccurate bank screenshot when you reported him? I don't know.

Also who in their right fucking mind leaves $350 in gold on an account that had a $25 order.

Your reaction seems genuine of an actual scam victim, however there are a couple inconsistency's that raise flags and a reaction is not evidence. The other two reports you reference were made by separate users(good for you) but were completely invalid(useless for you). Thus rendering your count to; 2 invalid reports and 1 report that's invalid for proof of wealth basically bringing the tally to ; 0 valid reports.

The trend while alarming would be much more solid if the actual other 2 reports were valid ; Than you could see a valid trend of wealth accusations ; as it stands there's only 1 (real) wealth accusation against the person you named scammer.

I can see why you would warrant a TWC in your eyes(3 reports all relating to wealth) but I could also see why Pendulum looked and saw what's basically a broken trend(2 invalid reports and 1 lacking ironclad evidence with some red flags) and didn't issue a twc at the end of the day.

At the end of the day he's innocent until proven guilty - Not presumed guilty. Due to a trend. If another report appears similar to this though it wouldn't surprise me to see a TWC.

 

We apply DNT's during reports for a myriad of reasons, if the debts are repaid or an explanation is given, the DNT is removed. Its generally used to prevent any further damage. If you fail to resolve a situation in an appropriate time frame due to not responding, blocking the victim, or creating a new account to evade your DNT, the report will be closed and you will receive a ban that reflects the amount you scammed. Our current guidelines are:

Your DNT is from a 3 month ban for scamming, where you are now left with a DNT which helps promote repaying the victim and successfully pardoning while discouraging ban evasion.

You are free to have this report looked at by other staff members, if they feel its mishandled it can always be corrected. However, when it comes to reports such as the one you made, there is no way for staff to verify either side. We always suggest removing excess items (in fact its a section rule to mention it) before using any service.

 

Yes. It's sad that trainers can get away with stealing bank value but you were "warned". He took the opportunity. You could of easily bonded another account and transferred the wealth.