Thanksgiving..Be thankful.....

[Fro]

As you sit around the dinner table and socialize with your family, friends, and think about what your thankful for on this American tradition, Be thankful for a couple things.

Be thankful we were starving when we came here.
Be thankful the native Americans saved the pilgrims.
Be thankful that we went on to live after that.
Be thankful that we then killed the Native Americans.
Be thankful that we then stole the majority of their land
Be thankful that almost every family in America celebrates this holiday.
And of course, be thankful that a turkey has nothing to do with anything.

Be thankful for all those things, pass the mash potatoes, and enjoy life.

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[jaamal]

If you look at many of the Prospering Native Americans, they were terrible. I don't think what was done is correct, but that is the only way they knew how to handle it...

But I hardly know anyone who think of thanksgiving as a American Tradition, more of a family day.

 

[Fro]

No matter what way you look at it, the pilgrims didn't have to kill them. They were even more terrible for what they did.

I don't agree with this holiday at all. Why not celebrate the holocaust?

 

[the_wippit]

we celibrate it becuase its what made our country, we had diffuculties we made mistakes but we created one of the most succsesful countries of its time

 

[jaamal]

You make it seem as if the pilgrims just started killing, Before they ever came, Native Americans fought a lot. And they also would sacrafice prisoners from other tribes. Many of the Pilgrims were god fearing people and didn't know how to handle that...

 

[Fro]

Don't we already have fourth of July? were we claimed independence. That was probably made our country more "successfully" then anything. Are you claiming that without the lives of countless Native Americans our country wouldn't be were it is. I think not, if anything it would be better.

They saved them, then got killed. YOUR acting as if their actions are somehow justified, because they didn't approve of the way they lived. You would fight to if someone was trying to kill you. It was their country, their land, imagine how they felt.

 

[jaamal]

Don't we already have fourth of July?

Yes, and it is another terrible holiday, among: Easter, Christmas, Valetines Day, and more... The list goes on.

Are you claiming that without the lives of countless Native Americans out country wouldn't be were it is. I think not, if anything it would be better..

It wouldn't be where it is today. And America has cut a lot of corners to get where it is.

They saved them, then got killed. YOUR acting as if their actions are somehow justified, because they didn't approve of the way they lived. .

Not the way the lived, but the way there praticed religion, and I don't here you complaining about the Japanese citizen being put into camps during WW2. I don't here you complaining about the

You would fight to if someone was trying to kill you. It was their country, their land, imagine how they felt.

Native American tribes fought each other and would sacrafice each other captives to gods... Purtians came and did it as a act of god. Whats the difference?

 

[Fro]

Yes, and it is another terrible holiday, among: Easter, Christmas, Valetines Day, and more... The list goes on.

Agreed.


It wouldn't be where it is today. And America has cut a lot of corners to get where it is.
Are you saying that Native Americans and the "current residents" couldn't live together in harmony?


Not the way the lived, but the way there praticed religion, and I don't here you complaining about the Japanese citizen being put into camps during WW2. I don't here you complaining about the

Thats because that is completely irrelevant to the topic if you want, I'll make a thread about WW2, the holocaust, Genocide in Africa. But for now... this is the topic.


Native American tribes fought each other and would sacrafice each other captives to gods... Purtians came and did it as a act of god. Whats the difference?[/QUOTE]

So, use killing each other over slavery and land was different? doesn't mean we had to get killed. Things could be worked out differently.

 

[Ins4n3 m0nk]

I'm thankful I'm not African American.

man, those people must be sad.

 

[Curt]

I'm thankful I'm not African American.

man, those people must be sad.

You are so fucked up..

 

[the_wippit]

he was being sarcastic when he was talking about all the other holidays, the 4th of july was about the signing of the declaration of independence not the coming to America and the surviving of us when we were almost wiped out

 

[Cfrey]

Pilgrims just didn't go out on a killing spree they traded alot with the indians.

in a book written by the Pilgrim's Governor Bradford he does make mention of wild turkeys. In a letter sent to England, another Pilgrim describes how the governor sent "four men out fowling" returning with turkeys, ducks and geese.

 

[jaamal]

Are you saying that Native Americans and the "current residents" couldn't live together in harmony?

Well if you look into history surviving Native Americans were all forced into camps where they were stripped of there cultures. So Native Americans are not as they were before.

Thats because that is completely irrelevant to the topic if you want, I'll make a thread about WW2, the holocaust, Genocide in Africa. But for now... this is the topic.

Go ahead, and I will show you why it is our many of people faults that this is happening and not just the 1 history shows...


So, use killing each other over slavery and land was different? doesn't mean we had to get killed. Things could be worked out differently.[/QUOTE]

Regardless, many of the pilgrims came for religious reasons, and they did this for a god and did it the same reason that Native American tribes were doing it. Your just mad because it happened on a larger scale.

 

[Fro]

Pilgrims just didn't go out on a killing spree they traded alot with the indians.

What else can you call it. A murder, with trades, and food. Is still a murder, i don't know what you have heard..

Regardless, many of the pilgrims came for religious reasons, and they did this for a god and did it the same reason that Native American tribes were doing it. Your just mad because it happened on a larger scale

No I'm mad that we even celebrate such an event. So as long as the other person is doing it, its not wrong to do it to them.. I see, flawless logic brother =/

 

[jaamal]

he was being sarcastic when he was talking about all the other holidays, the 4th of july was about the signing of the declaration of independence not the coming to America and the surviving of us when we were almost wiped out

The 4th of July is fake as well it wasn't even signed on the 4th of July, it had revisions and had to be redone. Also It celebrates a start of a war...

I was serious, if you were talking about me.

 

[Fro]

Pilgrims just didn't go out on a killing spree they traded alot with the indians.

I know because in the holocaust, they were focusing on what kind of BREAD they were getting. and thats what they based it on. (Sarcasm)

 

[jaamal]

No I'm mad that we even celebrate such an event.

People aren't celebrating the killing of the Native Americans, they are celebrating the ability to come together, and share. They killed them after...

So as long as the other person is doing it, its not wrong to do it to them.. I see, flawless logic brother =/

I am not saying it is right, I am only stating that people didn't care when it was people of the same cultrue. When Native Americans killed Native Americans. It is a double standard here.

So is it okay if it is inflicted as a genocide from a person within your community?

I know because in the holocaust, they were focusing on what kind of BREAD they were getting. and thats what they based it on. (Sarcasm)

You spelled breed wrong. And Hitler targeted more then just jews... They were targeted first.

 

[Fro]

People aren't celebrating the killing of the Native Americans, they are celebrating the ability to come together, and share. They killed them after...



I am not saying it is right, I am only stating that people didn't care when it was people of the same cultrue. When Native Americans killed Native Americans. It is a double standard here.

So is it okay if it is inflicted as a genocide from a person within your community?




You spelled breed wrong. And Hitler targeted more then just jews... They were targeted first.

No, i was commenting on the other guy, i spelled bread correctly,. he was arguing that there were turkeys and geese, and i told him that really doesn't matter. Like the jews didn't write about what kind of bread they were getting(food)
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All I'm saying is it should have been handled differently. and we shouldn't celebrate it. We have little four year olds playing "Indians and pilgrims" in plays. I don't believe thanksgiving and a lot of the other holidays out should be celebrated. thats what I'm saying

 

[Cfrey]

Hey fro you said this

And of course, be thankful that a turkey has nothing to do with anything.

i was giving proof that turkey has something to do with it.

 

[jaamal]

All I'm saying is it should have been handled differently. and we shouldn't celebrate it. We have little four year olds playing "Indians and pilgrims" in plays. I don't believe thanksgiving and a lot of the other holidays out should be celebrated. thats what I'm saying

Getting rid of the holiday isn't going to change anything or who died, but instead, I think it helps everyone remember what happened.

I know the history of a lot of holidays and I don't think why they were celebrated orignally is correct, but now people make it more then it is. These holidays are so far from what it was in the beggining it doesn't matter anymore.