Taking out the trash

[Rsaccounttrader]

Don't be retarded guys, we're not banning people for dealing with stolen gold. We're banning them for KNOWINGLY doing so, which is illegal.

Anybody who argues that Viou's ban is unfair because others have dealt with stolen goods (unknowingly) is stupid, it isn't at all relevant, as that's not what we're banning for.

People have ALWAYS been banned for knowingly trading stolen goods, I've banned at least 10 people for it myself. Its just now that someone big gets banned that you all start whining.

And you wonder why the staff has an attitude toward some of you, give me a fucking break.

That's not my question. My question is, do we only ban for goods stolen out of the game (e.g. paypal hack, account recovery, etc, all of which are illegal), or also for goods stolen in game (bug abuse, in-game scamming, etc, all of which are legal).

@Gohan: Viou

 

[Fendle]

That's not my question. My question is, do we only ban for goods stolen out of the game (e.g. paypal hack, account recovery, etc, all of which are illegal), or also for goods stolen in game (bug abuse, in-game scamming, etc, all of which are legal).

@Gohan: Viou

Listen here mate, shut up and sit down. -.- We don't like your type around here.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

Listen here mate, shut up and sit down. -.- We don't like your type around here.

Just because you have Sythe's avatar doesn't make you experienced. I've been around here for much longer than you have, and am much more respected/accepted by the community than you are around here, meaning that "we" do like "my type around here".

Why dont you (for whatever group you're speaking for) like the fact that I'm trying to get more information to evaluate the fairness of a ban of one of the most respected and useful members of this site.

 

[Zeus22]

rsaccounttrader dont mind fendle, hes a troll and this is the spam forum after all. what im trying to say is...I see what you are trying to argue here but don't take it personally

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

rsaccounttrader dont mind fendle, hes a troll and this is the spam forum after all. what im trying to say is...I see what you are trying to argue here but don't take it personally

I understand that, I enjoy trolling and the spam forum. I just didnt like his elitist attitude, and, if he was trolling, it was a fail so the best countertroll was to just call out the errors in the statement and address it as if it were a stupid comment.

 

[Corey]

Stolen goods is stolen goods, why does it matter where its stolen from?

 

[Fendle]

I understand that, I enjoy trolling and the spam forum. I just didnt like his elitist attitude, and, if he was trolling, it was a fail so the best countertroll was to just call out the errors in the statement and address it as if it were a stupid comment.

Mate, Fendle is clearly a peg higher than you son. Please take the exit to the left.

 

[shawty]

i remember when w000t scammed me for 20m...

 

[MVP RiSing]

Mate, Fendle is clearly a peg higher than you son. Please take the exit to the left.

Dat right take no shit Fendle!!!

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

Stolen goods is stolen goods, why does it matter where its stolen from?

It matters greatly.
On precedent, this site has very ambiguous rules, that vary and are often contradictory, regarding cheating and stealing in-game.

Our policies on luring, in-game scanning, and other in-game glitching have varied over time (see R2Ps thread where mods themselves are debating the policies [thread linked in Viou's second pardon post]).

Even if we had firm rules covering all forms of stealing in-game, this site was founded as a site to cheat in runescape. That means you get an unfair comparative advantage against other players, whether youre buying gold or using bots. These are fundamentally unjust activities. Players who do not use the blackmarket are put at a significant disadvantage.

Additionally, it should be noted that legally, Jagex owns all in-game virtual property, so in-game goods cannot be "stolen".

I'm not sure where I stand on what the policy should be, but I dont think the policy regarding in-game stealing is nearly well defined enough to ban one of the most respected, generous, and critical members of the site over.

 

[Fendle]

Lol, that's a good point you know. All items are owned by Jagex so its impossible for the items to be classed as stolen.

 

[Corey]

Additionally, it should be noted that legally, Jagex owns all in-game virtual property, so in-game goods cannot be "stolen".

In that case we should ban everyone who sells gold in the market for selling things that do not belong to them. -.-

While what you said may or may not be true, its honestly the most lame excuse I've ever heard.

 

Additionally, it should be noted that legally, Jagex owns all in-game virtual property, so in-game goods cannot be "stolen".

God how fucking retarded are people who spout this nonsense.

Listen: the gold, when you sell it, NEVER LEAVES THEIR SERVERS.

You are not trading a good, you are trading a service. Namely a gold delivery service. This is not illegal, and it is not stealing, and as you are not copying anything it is not copyright infringement. It is literally paying for someone else's labour.

When you steal gold from someone it is the same as receiving but not paying for a service. It is still theft and fraud.

>mfw

 

[MVP RiSing]

In that case we should ban everyone who sells gold in the market for selling things that do not belong to them. -.-

While what you said may or may not be true, its honestly the most lame excuse I've ever heard.

Exactly.I think people are trying to piss sythe off on purpose i am quite new here but he talks about having morals and so on.

When what he is saying is really quite easy to understand.

His website his rules.His moral code it is not rocket science.

 

[Magic Arrow]

Wait guys isn't a private server a copyright infringement

Really curious.

 

[Fendle]

All in favor of having Sythe do the harlem shake on camera then deleting Sythe.org from the servers then we all turn to Primody -.-


say i.

 

[shawty]

All in favor of having Sythe do the harlem shake on camera then deleting Sythe.org from the servers then we all turn to Primody -.-


say i.

u talkin shit again m8?

 

[Fendle]

u talkin shit again m8?

pls dnt wrek me again

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

Listen: the gold, when you sell it, NEVER LEAVES THEIR SERVERS.

You are not trading a good, you are trading a service. Namely a gold delivery service. This is not illegal, and it is not stealing, and as you are not copying anything it is not copyright infringement. It is literally paying for someone else's labour.

Sure, define it as gold delivery. I accept that.

When you steal gold from someone it is the same as receiving but not paying for a service. It is still theft and fraud.

No.
Scamming someone (having someone give you the "service" of gold delivery but not paying them for the price agreed upon) is fraud.

Account recovery is, legally, neither theft nor fraud.

Marrow's point only adds to one of mine. One of my points is this is not a community of Jesuses and moral absolutists. The community was built to cheat. The community was built to obtain immoral, unjust advantages over other players in the game of Runescape and other games.

 

[Fendle]

RSAccountTrader is right but he is forgetting one thing, Sythe owns the site and can set his own rules for traders to follow and if you don't then obviously you will be banned. le le le