[SYTHE / N4N0] Decision on restitutions please

Are we able to apply this to every other user that committed the same misdemeanor as Dialatic?

 

N4n0 vetoes or deletes pardons by some users involved, can that be addressed as well so that they actually can pardon? And can they pardon right away, or do they need to wait?

I'd like to see Add My MSN, Alex_J_Leon, Hattez, and JohnG get fair trials and not be constantly shut down (for example: Hattez had 3 supports when N4n0 single handedly vetoed it, and Alex_J_Leon can't even make a pardon because N4n0 constantly deletes them).

 

This. It would be nice to have this all finally addressed and finally get it all over and done instead of this dragging out even longer than it has already. I'm in the belief that since they had the same involvement as Dialatic they should be in the same boat as him, as in not having to pay the restitution. Whether or not their pardons are accepted is another story as there you can judge the whole pictures and their past contributions/misdemeanors but for now - I think they should have some peace of mind.

So first they will post a dispute and make a case of whether or not they need to pay the restitution and then once that is decided upon can pardon?

 

Alex_J_Leon is telling me any past disputes made by him have also been deleted.

Will this stop happening to him?

Edit: http://www.sythe.org/dispute-forum-archive/1718076-alex_j_leon-pardon-n4n0-trin.html

One example of non-deleted but vetoed.

 

Woah wait a minute. JohnG already got his fair trial. His pardon received all the supports and was sent to the USL. It was then denied because he refused to share his paypal logs and made up some bs story that his friend changed the password to his paypal.

 

Sorry, JohnG wasn't even banned for this incident. His name is there by accident (as was Lame's because I just remembered his is in USL right now).

 

This, due to his affiliation with BA he is being pegged as a scapegoat despite his affiliation being previously cleared and dismissed by you personally.


On a side note - one you must address now is Lame123. His pardon is in the USL currently and to avoid this dragging on further it should be decided upon whether he should have to pay restitution. He is in the same boat as Dial, having only done the same as him. I believe he should not have to pay the restitution on this basis. Also on his public pardon he has 6 supports, 1 more than the required threshold for advancement into the next stage.

 

Also note AJL hasn't been admin, or even active, on BA for a very long time. He's being kept banned because the site hosts n4n0s pictures in a public directory I would imagine. AJL has no control over this.

 

Edit: The prices do still seem high though for inviting people into a Skype conversation now that I look it over.

And what about me? Am I required to pay this for inviting 2 people even though I pardoned for it and you just said I don't owe n4n0?

 

It might be difficult to discern motive "for the purpose of sharing the documents more widely". Inviting someone to a Skype chat doesn't necessarily mean that you are wanting them to see the documents in point. If someone intended to spread the documents to a certain person, they would send them directly to them.

 

This sounds like the Skype Crew all over again.

 

imagine if this happened to finn, he'd ban every single person in that chat

oh wait... that's exactly what n4n0 did lol.

but they were undesirables am i right finn... i mean n4n0

 

Sythe, it is important to remember that this chat had existed for a while before it went all crazy. Many, many members were in the chat who did not participate in any of it at all because they were asleep when it happened and then kicked out of it by morning, me being one of those users.

So, I think simply being a part of the chat doesn't warrant being banned for long duration, but talking while the bad stuff goes down in the future does. Sorry if that's what you meant, I couldn't really tell.

 

I disagree with Alex_J_Leon returning since it was only just last week that I found him stalking my Facebook page through the "Follow" option, which does not give out a notification. Upon discovery I blocked his account.

Add My MSN, has proven to me to be very sincere about his actions. He is the ONLY person that apologized to me early on, he is the only that has not harassed me or try to kiss my ass because he just submitted a pardon. If I were able to be the sole person to vote on his pardon I would support it.

As for Hattez, I would not agree to have him back. He may not scam you but he would in a heartbeat spread your personal information without hesitation. This is a huge trust issue. Trust is viewed as a whole and not in parts.

1. Hattez was fully aware that mine and N4N0's (shared) accounts were hacked weeks prior to the massive ban and prior to PMing N4N0 of the impending information.
2. Him sending the PM to N4N0 was not an act of kindness, it was merely to further get under n4n0's skin. He clearly stated he wasn't going to share the info but he did 3 times in different locations on Sythe.org after he was told not to and then continued to do so in each and every pardon he wrote.
3. He harassed me regularly on the TeamSpeak in front of many people even with Mods present. Ziggily, James, Josh and Cas_M (current Mod). Zuzel (current Mod) was there as well, but I can't confirm what he heard during each conversation with Hattez.
4. He never apologized in any of his previous pardons & he never apologized on TeamSpeak. He talked about knowing more about me, knowing what my kids looked like, where they go, what school they go to, etc.
5. He created a mockery of the Pardoning system by further trying to insult N4N0 and I and releasing additional personal information.
6. I gave Hattez so many chances to change his behavior on the TeamSpeak. I could have easily banned him from the start but I kept giving him the benefit of the doubt.
7. When the Sythe TeamSpeak was down and Cas_M created a temp one, Hattez continued to harass me there as well in front of Cas_M. Cas perm banned Hattez from his server from ever returning.
8. The final straw was when he threatened me. When he realized that he couldn't social engineer his way back to MAKE me accept him, he attempted to blackmail me with the recent information he gathered on me during our text chat on the TeamSpeak, which was sent directly to n4n0 and Josh as evidence of his blackmail and then lied on his Pardon about the details on his Pardon to further smear me in public and to further piss off n4n0.
9. He still has access to personal information and is still in associating with those that did hack/assisted in hacking our accounts. I presented evidence to those who voted on his last pardon.
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Xiero previously quoted:

This rule was implemented after Hattez was permanently banned on the TeamSpeak and it wasn't related to him in any way. Cas_M can verify this since he sort of helped out with the writing and changing of the rules at the time.

Now, Hattez has managed to social engineered his way into convincing other people in seeing him as some victim here when he isn't. I refuse to allow some man threaten me, threaten my children and blackmail me so that he can get his way.

So, Hattez knew the accounts were hacked but did NOTHING to notify staff or to prevent the personal information from being leaked.

Inviting additional people into a Skype chat knowing the information was illegally obtained is still wrong. Not just distasteful, but illegal.

 

This is where people have the problem, Trin. You saying "I refuse to allow" anyone, anything, shouldn't actually make them ineligible. Because of your relationship with nano, you refusing something is going to mean he refuses something. I can't blame him, because if I was in his shoes I'd probably do the same thing. But this is why someone in an authoritative position shouldn't be personally involved with someone from the site. Your relationship creates biased, not necessarily fair decisions. It's exactly why in the vast majority of workplaces you can't work with family - it complicates everything while making it easier for people to make rash decisions.