Can you be a little more specific then just saying "talking in general"?
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Support, some mod's are stricter then others, it is therefore there choice how they deal with it.
But yeah, some people get banned for pretty small reasons, i'm just saying.
But yeah, some people get banned for pretty small reasons, i'm just saying.
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I think a month is an acceptable amount of time in which to dispute a ban. As for your bitterness about Austin being banned, I don't think he should have been banned either *shrug*
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I'm voting for a more leeway options when mods handle bans and disputes.
I'm hoping for them to possibly give some people some second chances and let them see through the community.
I'm not talking scammers, or anything like that. I'm talking the bans that are highly debatable need to be given second chances.
I'm saying more leeway, sindre. Second chances...it's for the better of the community. I mean up to the judgement of staff, of course, but why not have an option to allow staff to give second chances to people who really honestly didn't deserve the ban. Maybe an exception to the rules when someone disputes a few weeks late...understand? I mean come on, we allllll can agree that there are a lot of unfair bans on this forum.
Does this really need to be nazi-strict uptight? Can't you see all of the members are in favor of this? Wouldn't it be a happier place when everyone doesn't fear the "e-police' around here?
Members need to have more leeway, tl;dr.
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I Fully Agree.
What is someone has gone overseas , Away at a Camp / College for more than a month - they come back , And can't dispute it? Nows thats Bullshit and the best of times...
What is someone has gone overseas , Away at a Camp / College for more than a month - they come back , And can't dispute it? Nows thats Bullshit and the best of times...
Well, you've got a good point. A few days ago I banned someone for saying they scammed a few pixels back in old runescape. I honestly don't think that serves a perm ban, but that's how the rules are.
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I'm not sure if you've ever had to write an appeal before, but - this being an RS forum - I'm sure you've seen some of the appeals people have tried. Denial is the most common route since it is widely believed that Jagex doesn't really read appeals, but you may have seen the odd apology as well.
Convincing or not, appeals do not reflect the owner's regret or innocence - they often merely reflect their cunning and eloquence. I can assure you that most banned members in RS have used up their appeals with whatever tactic they think will get them unbanned. No one really asks themselves whether they deserve another chance: most don't even consider what they'd do if they got one. An appeal is simply a game: everyone seeks to be unbanned, and in such a game even sincerity is a calculated tool. Some people may deserve another chance. But, it's nearly impossible to pick them out, because their appeals look the same as anyone else's.
Members are naïve. They don't really have to consider the problems with giving the wrong trusted member a second chance, so they often believe whatever's on the surface. Mods, on the other hand, quickly realize that most disputes are bullshit, even if they sound convincing. In 5 pages of disputes, it's an oddity for more than two users to be unbanned.
The "one month" rule is used, in part, because older bans do take a significantly larger investment of time (and because it's hard to tell whether the member has already tried a dispute or not). Given the unban rate of a couple per hundred disputes, it's just not an efficient use of time.
Finally, on keylogging and off-site offenses which members seem eager to disregard: I did not see Luke's post, so I don't really know the technical level of his description or the tone his advice took. However, as I've said before, keylogging is closely tied to scamming, and anyone who supports the use of one is likely to be comfortable with the other. He may convincingly deny that he's ever used either, but as I've stated above, that doesn't mean a thing.
Convincing or not, appeals do not reflect the owner's regret or innocence - they often merely reflect their cunning and eloquence. I can assure you that most banned members in RS have used up their appeals with whatever tactic they think will get them unbanned. No one really asks themselves whether they deserve another chance: most don't even consider what they'd do if they got one. An appeal is simply a game: everyone seeks to be unbanned, and in such a game even sincerity is a calculated tool. Some people may deserve another chance. But, it's nearly impossible to pick them out, because their appeals look the same as anyone else's.
Members are naïve. They don't really have to consider the problems with giving the wrong trusted member a second chance, so they often believe whatever's on the surface. Mods, on the other hand, quickly realize that most disputes are bullshit, even if they sound convincing. In 5 pages of disputes, it's an oddity for more than two users to be unbanned.
The "one month" rule is used, in part, because older bans do take a significantly larger investment of time (and because it's hard to tell whether the member has already tried a dispute or not). Given the unban rate of a couple per hundred disputes, it's just not an efficient use of time.
Finally, on keylogging and off-site offenses which members seem eager to disregard: I did not see Luke's post, so I don't really know the technical level of his description or the tone his advice took. However, as I've said before, keylogging is closely tied to scamming, and anyone who supports the use of one is likely to be comfortable with the other. He may convincingly deny that he's ever used either, but as I've stated above, that doesn't mean a thing.
Yeah so 50% of the time you click a link here on Sythe it will be a phish and all the administrators will be "Ooh yo' must be jokin' boyh! Yo' shoulda know know bettahr!"
That's not about to happen.
I'm always bitching to people on MSN when a member gets unfairly banned for ONE stupid mistake. We're all prone to mistakes; eventually you're going to say something wrong or suggestive and get banned.
Specific examples:
Rawr- One ambiguous comment taken the wrong way
Amanda - pinlines etc pfft.
Syed- banned for trolling; seriously? Even if he came back, it was only because of the outrage.
Specific examples:
Rawr- One ambiguous comment taken the wrong way
Amanda - pinlines etc pfft.
Syed- banned for trolling; seriously? Even if he came back, it was only because of the outrage.
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'Made one CP mistake' ROFL. Child pornography is illegal. I think it's reasonable enough to ban him from Sythe without reporting him to the appropriate authorities. He got off lightly.
I suppose, I don't know the full nature of the offense tbh. I'll just shut up :'(
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Be nice Verties.
Mods are overly strict on this site and I always hated it. Like Marco's ban. >_<.
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CP is a terrible "mistake". If you posted CP, you probably have more and should be banned IMO. I'm very happy with that rule.
With some exceptions, like if you jokingly posted a 16 year old member's ass or something like that..maybe a couple months.
And thanks guys, your input is greatly appreciated. I think this is a valid suggestion to offer an OPTION for a second chance.
With some exceptions, like if you jokingly posted a 16 year old member's ass or something like that..maybe a couple months.
And thanks guys, your input is greatly appreciated. I think this is a valid suggestion to offer an OPTION for a second chance.
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A mod once told me once something along these lines. "Sythe has lasted so long, because the same rules apply to every one, we don't favor any one with disputes, and don't pull double standards, everyone is accountable for an act committed" Something like that. (and pretty much unbanning them or not banning them, would be a double standard)
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I think he was wrong. I mean think of how good this place would be if it wasn't stripped of everyone who hardly did anything.
It's so extreme to take these rules so seriously, moderator or not.
It's so extreme to take these rules so seriously, moderator or not.
tfw 2hi lmao
Our banning system is fine.
In specification to the rule where disputes can not be made after a time limit, this is because proof may be lost in time, or the offense may have been forgotten. If the person cared about Sythe then they would have disputed immediately, and not waited for things to "cool down."
In specification to the rule where disputes can not be made after a time limit, this is because proof may be lost in time, or the offense may have been forgotten. If the person cared about Sythe then they would have disputed immediately, and not waited for things to "cool down."
tfw 2hi lmao
The thread posting is an infraction.
Doing it again, or continuing on the trade to actually sell the auths based on sythe is where the ban comes from.
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