[STAFF POWER ABUSE] This is embarrassing, multiple staff abusing this rule for there own benefit.

I'm not disputing any of that and you're missing the point I'm trying to make, or perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly.

Your first point is with regards to using someone elses PA while you are working for them, ergo irrelevant.

I agree with your example.

"I sell MY gold on a website that IS NOT sythe.org" - Pardon me if I'm misunderstanding, but why do you need your own thread then?

As for your final point, I'm not fighting against anyone. I'm sorry that your attitude is that "what I do elsewhere doesn't matter here", because even though in terms of the rules that may be the case, it's a bad attitude to have especially since it's typically the attitude of people who are deceitful.

My main point: I am merely stating that the act of using someone elses account, while NOT working for them, for PERSONAL GAIN is not ethical. If you want to justify your actions with "I'm deceiving people off-site so it doesn't matter" then hey, you do you friend.
If no one else has issue with that then fair enough, just my two cents.

 

You were making a big deal out of Playerauctions, I then went on to state that sharing accounts on Playerauctions is completely fine. I sell my gold via Sythe.org, again my gold. Which is the whole point of the thread, you aren't allowed to have a gold thread if you're selling it for someone else/a company.

Are you saying what I do elsewhere matters? I'm defending myself against someone who is trying to get my threads locked that I use for personal gain, if you're not on Sythe for personal gain why are you here? It's a black market. I'm not about to talk about the rules to someone who is using their emotions instead of their brain. You sit there throwing random insults/accusations at me; saying "typically" of someone who is deceitful.

Why? Why isn't it ethical?

 

As I stated in my first post if it turns out they don't care about account sharing purely for the abuse of rates and reputation I'll gladly admit that I have no further point to make.

1. The only personal gain that i'm labelling as unethical is your use of someone elses PA account purely for rates and reputation.
2. I'm actually 100% emotionless about this, I'm just giving my opinion. I don't care whether your threads get locked or not.
3. I'm not meaning to throw random insults, sorry if it came across that way. I'm trying to explain to you why the attitude of "what i do elsewhere doesn't matter" is a deceitful trait. Something which I feel is quite self explanatory.
4. If you no longer wish to speak to me then feel free not to do so, my comments are purely to give my opinion for anyone wishing to read it and are specifically with regards to the PA activity rather than the thread issue (because it's not as black and white as this is and I've no real desire to delve into it).

Wait, really? You need only consider the exact same actions on a different platform to see why it's unethical.
As I've said multiple times, if the same thing was done here then it would be unethical would it not? Ethics don't change based on the platform, however the toleration of said ethics may vary (and it does).
The part that I struggle with the most is how you somehow don't see this? Masquerading as someone you are not in order to widen your personal reach and reduce costs, you're right...doesn't sound unethical at all.

Once again, this is all my opinion and not intended to offend, I'm a sweet boy.

 

@Sythe I'm talking to @We Merch via PM rn about the subject idk if what I'm saying is helping, but from my understanding everyone is taking it the wrong way, as I did originally. Even if she is shelling for a business she is merely using an offsite account shared by a user here (perfectly fine), while selling through her own thread, not her employers business. I believe that is how it should be properly defined. Because honestly, I see no true way that you can tell whether or not gold is from one person or another, besides keeping exact logs of who you bought and sold to and shifts of working etc., which is possible, but I would even say that is a bit much.

 

I agree completely, even if anyone mentioned in this thread has or is using their business as a personal income while not working, I don't believe we can find a way to prove it, atm I believe they are acting in their own best interests, and not in interest of their employers.. so regardless they get the benefit of the doubt to me.

 

After speaking with Bryan there was some confusion, this may clear it up:
@Chloe Would you stand to make the exact same amount of profit using your own PA account (existing, or new if you don't have one) as you are making using the persons PA you're currently using? As they will most likely have fee reductions ("Juicy premiums") that, as you are not working for them at the time, should not be getting as you are neither the person who earned the reductions, owns the account, or is working for them.

@Sythe I've no practical solution as of right now, especially since I've only taken interest as of recently, however if I do think of some way in which it can be realistically moderated I will definitely let you know.

 

I'm just sayin that if im sellin gold and I link to your vouch thread, thats not allowed lol. So why if I'm sellin gold am I allowed to link to Chick's PA? If I am a worker for Chicks, then that is allowed, but I'm not sure this is the situation in all these cases? I could be wrong - kinda jumpin in here


Regardless I think the answer is that people should be able and required to remove their gold selling thread if they are selling for someone else other than themselves. Dont know how this would work, but I think that if Chloe is selling for Chicks then her thread should not be present in the gold selling section.

 

I'm avoiding this issue like the plague but just for the record here, for a very, VERY long time, the stance staff always took was "If you work for a gold site or shop, you are not allowed any threads period in any section that shop or site has threads in".

It's only recently that staff for whatever reason started to say "Oh its okay now provided u have staff approval" in the cases of shexy, chloe and veng. I don't know why staff recently started doing that after as from what I can tell from my personal experience and the archives, the former mentioned stance has been the stance for nearly a decade and now out of the blue its started to have an exception "U can do this, just with staff approval".

I'm not passing judgement on what I personally think, but heres the reason why the former stance was always kept to:

It is *impossible* to determine who is selling whos gold, If we go by the example of Chloe and Veng, they cant prove its their gold, what are they going to? Submit pictures of everytime they purchase? How are they going to prove they bought it? How are they going to prove they didn't buy it for their boss? The questions go on and on and its impossible to ultimately prove who is operating on behalf of who, which is why staff have always in the past applied the stance "If you work for a gold site or someone else, you are not allowed to have threads in the sections they do".

There was always a slight exception applied if say, Chloe worked for me and wanted to sell 500m one day she accumulated from staking, staff would allow that. Never a perm selling thread though.

I don't know why this was changed, I'm not saying whether it should or shouldn't be changed, but those are the facts imo.

This would also be extremely easy to abuse just putting that out there, I could hire someone, say I fired them and have them post a sythe thread and have them just sell my sites gold individually and split the profit, there's no punishment on the books so it'd be completely legal as I'm not banned.

#Loophole

 

Or just hire someone who already has a gold selling thread? Seems thats what's happening here.

 

I have to say, for once I do agree with @Divine

back when I worked for him I was hit with the same bullshit, "oh you cant sell the gold from your services, you work for a gold site" why the sudden change because some staff want to sell gold or so on?

Now, I love the staff that's obvious especially @Wortel and @King and Wort knows I had this issue back in the day as well, as I was talking about selling gold to Bus all the time but prices became too low.. This just seems like it's a good thing for some but when the others try it's a red flag and goodbye.

 

What if as a worker of a business you can’t use anything related to the business you work for if you are given the permission to create a thread, including offsite accounts? Still not a perfect solution but it’d cover issues like this.

 

I have MY OWN website, I sell gold I buy using MY OWN funds and I re-sell them on PlayerAuctions and to almost every site in excistance as you can see on my vouches. I run a completely legitimate business purely for MY OWN gain. I just happen to work as a livechat agent for another gold site too. Just cause I have 2 jobs doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to have my own business. Every gold payment goes to MY OWN Paypal, MY OWN BTC wallet and all the gold I buy comes from MY OWN wallets too. It's completely different when a gold site has workers create threads purely to support one main gold site but this is easy to check. I am doing nothing wrong so you can leave me out of this @Divine.

 

Out of interest. If someone PM'd personally you asking to buy GP, while you are working at your livechat job on another goldsite. Would you sell them GP personally? Or through the site you are working on? Or just not respond to them.

 

@John Devola Any business I do for myself goes through myself, I don't sell my gp via the site I work for, only via my own site/skype/w/e.

 

@Shexy I know. But what I am asking is if what if someone approaches you personally while you are working at the gold site.

Do you redirect them to the gold site?

 

I'm going to go with no for this particular user. However, many other people would choose to redirect them to x site because it will give them an easy compensation rate on the sale.

Regarding this issue and the posts I've read, I completely agree with @A Broken Man and @Divine

If a user has their own gold thread WHILE WORKING FOR A SITE and is proved to redirect another user looking to buy gp to said site, that is overkill advertising. It abuses the free market by giving that single group of users working for that site a leverage in what-should-be an equal market.

 

This just shouldn't be allowed.

The fact that this conflict of interest is allowed is a bit head scratching. You're working for a gold selling site, and selling on the side also? I'm not sure how the gold selling sites themselves allow an employee to have a COMPETING side business.

edit: But now that I think about it... If the owners of the gold selling sites allow there workers to have and sell gold on the side, why would it not be allowed on Sythe?

Heh. Complicated issue