SRR - Warez 1 Month Ban

[Jiwi]

Warez: posting direct downloads to Warez, links of websites related to Warez - includes: posting full length motion pictures (movies) regardless of whether or not they are in theaters or on dvd, completed seasons of a television show (1-2 episodes due to comical reasons are permitted), shareware programs, cracked shareware programs, cracks/serials for shareware programs, etc...

The warez rule, in my opinion, either needs some revising or clarification.
It's pretty obvious at this point that 90% of active Sythe members are involved, somehow, in some sort of warez (games, programs, etc), including staff members, gmods, and even admins. The fact that people talk about it on irc freely (although the irc isn't directly affiliated with the site nor is it official) and post links there partially speaks for the point that warez discussion doesn't speak for someone's moral compass at all. In fact, there's OMM's that are involved with warez.

Point is, I really would venture to say that warez discussion being prohibited is a pretty bogus (assumed) rule unless it has to do something with putting sythe (as a site/for legal reasons) at risk for shutting down or anything of the sort. Now obviously this doesn't entail warez discussion and whole subforums based on the topic and its entities, but the casual linking of youtube videos or sites seems to be viewed as forbidden. And even then, it only directly states in the rules that direct links to downloads and sites associated with warez is a bannable offense. Yet people seem to think that any discussion involved with the subject is strictly prohibited.

Clarify the rule to either state general discussion/youtube or google searches are allowed or remove the rule in general
Granted this isn't the most important rule, but either way, I figured I'd put this out there for the general public <3

Post your opinion here with some decently logical reasoning. Thanks!

 

[n4n0]

Pretty sure the warez restriction is (like pins) due to legal constraints

 

Pretty sure the warez restriction is (like pins) due to legal constraints

If it isn't then we should remove it. As Jiwi said, pretty much everyone uses 'em.

 

[JohnK]

sythe.org can't be associated with any illegal activities, for legal reasons

 

[kmjt]

1 month is a bit harsh if someone was oblivious. Yeah it was there fault for not reading the rules but a warning first might be fairer for something a lot of people do.

 

[KerokeroCola]

I think the mentioned 90% is blatantly wrong. I do not participate in piracy or any type of fraudlent software distribution. Maybe I'm just high and mighty, but in my opinion downloading warez is just the same as shoplifting a CD from walmart.

 

[Syed]

I think the mentioned 90% is blatantly wrong. I do not participate in piracy or any type of fraudlent software distribution. Maybe I'm just high and mighty, but in my opinion downloading warez is just the same as shoplifting a CD from walmart.

You're just high and mighty.

OT: No, that rule is fine.

 

[n4n0]

Spoke with Sythe, the rule is mostly due to legal issues, but he said allowing magnet links or something along those lines may be a possibility, but he needed a little time to think it over. I asked him to take a look at the thread after he's given it some thought.

 

We surely can't allow movies/music linked etc. Sythe's servers are on US.

I'd like to see this removed. Infraction is better.

However, I think that if there are no direct links to, for example, thepiratebay, 4shared, bayfiles, etc. There's no need to even infract.

 

[Noam]

Safe harbor, if I'm not mistaken, says that sythe must only remove warez when a DMCA complaint is submitted. Beyond that it must only appear to be actively attempting to remove it. As not making it a bannable offense but rather an infractable one makes much more sense and fulfills the requirements. You could probably even take no official stance/no punishment as long as you comply with complaints.

 

[video]

Safe harbor, if I'm not mistaken, says that sythe must only remove warez when a DMCA complaint is submitted. Beyond that it must only appear to be actively attempting to remove it. As not making it a bannable offense but rather an infractable one makes much more sense and fulfills the requirements. You could probably even take no official stance/no punishment as long as you comply with complaints.

I don't want there to be any doubt about whether or not we support this kind of thing. It's illegal, I don't want us to be like "well, we'll remove it but only if you tell us to". I believe that kind of attitude can very quickly lead to legal action. That being said, we should reduce the ban length

 

[Fendle]

Theres no need to really be posting movie links etc, pretty sure 99 percent of the forum knows where to go if they want to go watch a movie online for free.

 

[Terrankiller]

As long as the actual warez are not hosted on the server forum.

 

[Athlete]

Reduce the 1 month ban to 1 week and have a message that pops up when they log back in that says what they did wrong, and a button that says "I acknowledge this"

 

[SuF]

Spoke with Sythe, the rule is mostly due to legal issues, but he said allowing magnet links or something along those lines may be a possibility, but he needed a little time to think it over. I asked him to take a look at the thread after he's given it some thought.

The wording of the rule sucks regardless.

 

[Fallen Soul]

The wording of the rule sucks regardless.

Maybe in the meantime Clarify the rule as stands, and if applicable (legality) modify the rule and/or ban time.

 

[Punjabi3]

I think it should be reduced to maybe 3 days if we aren't going to allow it, the punishment seems too harsh at the moment.

 

[SuF]

Maybe in the meantime Clarify the rule as stands, and if applicable (legality) modify the rule and/or ban time.

I think it should be reduced to maybe 3 days if we aren't going to allow it, the punishment seems too harsh at the moment.

Basically we need to just ban posting copyrighted materials. We should also avoid linking to copyrighted materials due to legal reasons. Discussing it should be allowed. The punishment should not even be a ban. It should be an infraction.

 

[Afk Bro]

If we aren't allowed to post direct links what about link shorteners like goo/.gl links for example? what if we just allow them